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Manny Machado signs with Padres!!!!!

Apparently the White Sox offer did not include an opt out.....not something they believe in.

Well....their “beliefs” apparently  cost them a GG All Star thirdbaseman for the next 5-10 years.

Thanks again Pale Hose!

 

Quote from David Nevin on February 19, 2019, 6:10 pm

Apparently the White Sox offer did not include an opt out.....not something they believe in.

Well....their “beliefs” apparently  cost them a GG All Star thirdbaseman for the next 5-10 years.

Thanks again Pale Hose!

 

The report I heard was they offered substantially less guaranteed money but the "potential" to earn more than the Padres offer. No idea the criteria to earn that "potential". Guaranteed money beats "potential" in most cases.

Odd comment on that for the CWS ... they could not match the Padres guaranteed money ($300MM). Then what is the logic that they can offer substantially more "potentially"? A share of attendance increase? A share of increase merchandise sales?

CWS got skunked.

Quote from 3fingersplit on February 19, 2019, 3:49 pm

OMG....if you want to get a great laugh go over to the White Sox forum

People over there are PISSED....not only about Machado signing with the Padres but also the fact that AJ Preller got them a second time with the first being the trade that got us Tatis Jr

Starts on page 792 and up.......get your popcorn out 🙂

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?/topic/106772-its-finally-happening-machado-reportedly-signs-with-padres/&page=803

What a great day to be a Padre fan !!!

Go to page 853 and watch the video of the shields trade in 2016. He is giddy that all they gave up was Eric Johnson and some guy named Fernando tatis who can't be very good cause he never heard of him. Priceless

Quote from David Nevin on February 19, 2019, 4:57 pm

Well hello there Not!

Im happy with the opt out.

It gives Machado reason to push himself to possibly make even more money in 5 years.

If he opts out that would mean he has outperformed this $30 mil per deal.

That would be a good thing for us.

One thing we haven’t mentioned is that almost everyone in Padreland is happy about this......except Ty France.

Ty France has had a bad day.

But that also just shows even more what a huge get this was.

No team in the running for Machado had a worse situation at 3B than the Padres.

We easily took our worst position at the major league level.....AND in the minor league system, and made it a non issue for a minimum of five seasons.

 

Hudson Potts too...   But this is what team NEEDS to do to succeed:  Have good prospects blocked at highest level.

They're still good prospects to 29 other teams!    Unlike this offseason;  need our top 10 guys to not ALL be guys the team needs to filling glaring holes on MLB roster.  The pressure to trade for MLB caliber SP will build very quickly now... How many years from right now, today, will it be until Mackenzie Gore is a #1 SP in MLB... 4? 5?   NOT saying trade him; saying Pads can literally no longer afford to sit around & wait.  The ultimate trick is knowing which guys NOT to deal.

The DH is coming, Potts, Naylor and Reyes can all benefit from that.  I don't think we should get more starters this season, six man rotation(or Paddack and Strahm piggyback) and lets see what we have with the young guys this year.  Next year, using that data, make some moves for other starters.

Anybody else looking forward to Machado getting booed in Chavez Revine when he mashes a HR into the left field stands in a SD uni?

It will be nice to be on that side for a change.

Haven’t gotten a chance to chime in...just wow! So elated! Living in Connecticut...I am so bummed I didn’t get to go to a bar filled with padres fans but I think this is the move everyone will talk about that changed the franchise. We are talking about a franchise that 9 years ago put out a 38 million dollar payroll. Can’t say enough about ownership right now and A.J. Preller. I really believe the city will reward them as long as they continue to push forward. But regardless, I think that not having to worry about your infield for at least 5 years will pay off dividends and will make Andy’s job that much easier. What future lineup will he push out? I guess that is a debate for another thread. But hey if the rotation can get through 5 innings and turn it over to the bullpen, I think the Padres can get to where they want to go a lot sooner. Bottom line just a wonderful time to be a Padre fan. Good times are ahead of us. Let’s enjoy this!

So a lot of hypotheticals here, but since the signing, I have been thinking a lot about what this does to the state of the club for the next several seasons. With Preller's, as well as the owner's, history of shrewd "rockstar capabilities" and the state of the farm system, what would keep this club from over the course of the next year signing a Gerrit Cole next offseason AND trading for another #1/2 like a Thor, Kluber, Syndergaard, Stroman, Berrios or whoever at the deadline/before this season starts/next offseason using the farm plus one of Lucchesi or Lauer?

Then the Padres could use now all of a sudden 5-year stable offense with a rotation that looks like this:

Cole

Thor

Richards

Lamet

Paddack

I mean this team can look ridiculous and wouldn't require us to "unload" the farm.

In the "do nothing more" scenario, the Padres' payroll in 2019 and 2020 will be in the $115-120MM range (a lot of moving parts but netting out to flat). Guessing that leaves them with maybe $10-15MM to "tinker" during that period (trade deadline) while positioning themselves for the one big move ... dependent on who becomes available at the right price.

The window to watch out for is between 2020 and 2021 when that base payroll can drop about another $20MM with the departures of Richards, Kinsler, Yates, Erlin, and the dead money from Olivera with only a modest offset by expected arbitration decisions.

So, if the Padres don't do anything foolish with spending extending into the prime 2021-22 period, they may be set up with about $30-35MM to go big on whomever is needed ... and that is assuming the $130MM ceiling. If they are really in it at that point would not be surprised to see extra added in. That timing would blend well with the maturation of Tatis, Urias, and hopefully a RF with a better understanding which of the SP prospects will produce.

At this point in 2019 ... don't really see any "big time" FA or available trade SP being added (just not there in my view). Long shot a trade deadline move happens unless a top arm becomes available and even if the Padres are not in contention Preller may play if the control period is right (e.g. Kluber or Syndergaard if their teams fall out of contention). So, maybe next winter is the first real opportunity to add that next big piece but if not ... watch out for the 2020 trade deadline / following winter.

Strategic patience.

Quote from Notmyopic on February 20, 2019, 12:14 am

The DH is coming, Potts, Naylor and Reyes can all benefit from that.  I don't think we should get more starters this season, six man rotation(or Paddack and Strahm piggyback) and lets see what we have with the young guys this year.  Next year, using that data, make some moves for other starters.

We will!  But let's raise the bar on the SP equivalent of Ty France (Bryan Mitchell?) and find a guy like Gio Gonzalez (even better a RH equivalent... is there one??) that can placehold for 1 year the spot that is essentially being held for Garrett Richards.  Force guys to compete for the other 4 spots.  Can't honestly say unproven guys like Lucchesi & Lauer really are "competing" for a rotation spot right now.

As you mention, Paddack & Strahm will have strict innings limitations.  So will Mitchell who's averaged only 100 IP last 2 years, Erlin barely topped 100, etc.  NO Pads SP majors or minors exceeded 150 IP.  No offense meant, but the commitment to Machado, team, & fans demands better than Brett Kennedy if a couple of guys are on the DL.