Quote from MrPadre19 on June 26, 2020, 12:41 pm

I thought Peoria was out and the location needed to be closer(within certain guidelines) to the Home Park?

So won't the Taxi squad players be going to somewhere like Lake Elsinore instead?

 

Regarding trades,I could also see the opposite becoming true.

There could be quite a few teams(including our Padres) getting into...or competing for,the playoffs when they haven't in some time.

Due to the short season and more importantly the expanded number of playoff spots,some teams may "go for it" and make some trades to better their chances of winning it all.I would really suck if we are 1-2 games out late in the season with an obvious weakness and not being able to make a deal to improve the team and losing out.Or getting into the Playoffs and needing that "one" extra bat and losing because you couldn't make a move.

 

 

Quote from fenn68 on June 26, 2020, 1:01 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on June 26, 2020, 12:41 pm

I thought Peoria was out and the location needed to be closer(within certain guidelines) to the Home Park?

So won't the Taxi squad players be going to somewhere like Lake Elsinore instead?

 

Regarding trades,I could also see the opposite becoming true.

There could be quite a few teams(including our Padres) getting into...or competing for,the playoffs when they haven't in some time.

Due to the short season and more importantly the expanded number of playoff spots,some teams may "go for it" and make some trades to better their chances of winning it all.I would really suck if we are 1-2 games out late in the season with an obvious weakness and not being able to make a deal to improve the team and losing out.Or getting into the Playoffs and needing that "one" extra bat and losing because you couldn't make a move.

 

 

I too was under the impression that the taxi squad had to be closer to PETCO than Peoria. Main idea was that if a player or players tested positive a couple of hours before a game at PETCO ... replacements could be activated in time for the game. (Same logic that support the 3 players from the taxi squad traveling with the club on the road).

Plus not sure I would want my “taxi squad” in AZ given their current problems with the COVID-19 surge. More risk than than in SD ... and their purpose it to cover active players so why set more risk into play.

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I can see trade movement .... money may be the biggest issue if the trade chips are limited by the “60” and if that “60” does not have the player return ... hard to pull off. Not really a good scenario for teams with cash flow issues zeroing in on players with big contracts (even if it is only for one month) and even harder if it is a player with a big future commitment.

Quote from dusty on June 26, 2020, 4:24 pm

Quote from fenn68 on June 26, 2020, 1:01 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on June 26, 2020, 12:41 pm

I thought Peoria was out and the location needed to be closer(within certain guidelines) to the Home Park?

So won't the Taxi squad players be going to somewhere like Lake Elsinore instead?

 

Regarding trades,I could also see the opposite becoming true.

There could be quite a few teams(including our Padres) getting into...or competing for,the playoffs when they haven't in some time.

Due to the short season and more importantly the expanded number of playoff spots,some teams may "go for it" and make some trades to better their chances of winning it all.I would really suck if we are 1-2 games out late in the season with an obvious weakness and not being able to make a deal to improve the team and losing out.Or getting into the Playoffs and needing that "one" extra bat and losing because you couldn't make a move.

 

 

I too was under the impression that the taxi squad had to be closer to PETCO than Peoria. Main idea was that if a player or players tested positive a couple of hours before a game at PETCO ... replacements could be activated in time for the game. (Same logic that support the 3 players from the taxi squad traveling with the club on the road).

Plus not sure I would want my “taxi squad” in AZ given their current problems with the COVID-19 surge. More risk than than in SD ... and their purpose it to cover active players so why set more risk into play.

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I can see trade movement .... money may be the biggest issue if the trade chips are limited by the “60” and if that “60” does not have the player return ... hard to pull off. Not really a good scenario for teams with cash flow issues zeroing in on players with big contracts (even if it is only for one month) and even harder if it is a player with a big future commitment.

With the Padres, along with us fans, being very vocal and expecting and saying over and over again they would be ready for contention, I would think they would absolutely be involved in trades. Also remember that Preller loves to wheel and deal. With owners being worried about financial losses I think this has to be the time Cleveland goes ahead and deals Lindor - if anything to maximize the return they may ever get for him. It has been no secret Preller has been in on him even if it makes us scratch our heads wondering where they are going to play everyone specifically Tatis. Will it be more valuable to keep or deal Yates since he is a free agent? If we are contending, you argue it would be pretty dumb. If you are looking at the amount of teams in the race with 2 months to go, one could argue that you now have a lot more teams who would be interested in a dominant closer and may be willing to get more than what was expected. Bottom line...Padres have the best chance to make the playoffs in some time and I think it is going to be a wild season and playoff run.

Quote from Ben Davey on June 26, 2020, 11:44 pm

The problem is if you can only trade players on this 60 man roster, so it is hard for Preller to wheel and deal when his hands are tied.  Plus with virtually every team being within a few games of a playoff spot on Aug 31st its hard to imagine GMs will be selling

Quote from fenn68 on June 27, 2020, 5:40 am

There should be a lot of potential of buyers in play ... somewhat held back by maybe cash flow limiting their targets to either low contract players or FA this winter. Others (NYY, LAD) may not have that limit and may get deals done by taking on larger contracts and if they do that ... may not need to give up much in terms of prospects off their 60 man.

The real limiting factor is finding sellers with desirable players .... if the team fell out contention in one month either no talent or even if a  historically good player may be playing poorly (slump) and not a gamble to take in the stretch for a contender.

Since the trade deadline is 1/2 way through the season and a theme will be that if they are X games out in 1 month they can make that up in one month ... so still in it. Guessing the GMs might be less optimistic if their team is sitting 15th in the league and have to pass 10 teams to get the 2nd wild card. If the bulk of the outside teams are around 2 games out and your team is 6 games out ... probably out realistically. With historically some teams (good or bad) hitting those losing streaks in the first month of the season ... could have some surprising sellers.

In 2019, after one month, Baltimore was 6.5 games out (15th AL) and KC was 6 games out (14th AL) .... Miami was 8 games out (15th NL). Likely sellers at that point ... anyone other teams want? If they did ... might get a lot of buyers bidding.

Hopefully SD does not have the cold start but if they did .... would expect bidders for a number of Padres (probably pitchers) if they are doing well and Preller probably could find value in players on another teams’ 60 for the soon to be FA at a minimum.

Agree low volumes but still a chance for some big names to move.

Quote from dusty on June 27, 2020, 4:46 pm

Quote from Ben Davey on June 26, 2020, 11:44 pm

The problem is if you can only trade players on this 60 man roster, so it is hard for Preller to wheel and deal when his hands are tied.  Plus with virtually every team being within a few games of a playoff spot on Aug 31st its hard to imagine GMs will be selling

If you trade players off your 60 man and you end up with less than 60 on that roster, are teams allowed to add to the 60 man? Because if so, what is keeping teams from adding prospects they intend to trade for major leaguers with the intention of having them on the 60 man just to be able to trade?

Quote from fenn68 on June 28, 2020, 9:48 am

Quote from dusty on June 27, 2020, 4:46 pm

Quote from Ben Davey on June 26, 2020, 11:44 pm

The problem is if you can only trade players on this 60 man roster, so it is hard for Preller to wheel and deal when his hands are tied.  Plus with virtually every team being within a few games of a playoff spot on Aug 31st its hard to imagine GMs will be selling

If you trade players off your 60 man and you end up with less than 60 on that roster, are teams allowed to add to the 60 man? Because if so, what is keeping teams from adding prospects they intend to trade for major leaguers with the intention of having them on the 60 man just to be able to trade?

Are teams locked in with those 60 players all season?

No. Teams will be able to make all the standard transactions throughout the course of the year, so in order to add a player to the Player Pool, another player must be removed.

Players on a 40-man roster can be removed via trade, waiver claims, return of Rule 5 Draft selection, release, outright assignment, designation for assignment, placement on the 45-day injured list, placement on the COVID-19 related injured list, or placement on the suspended list (by the club), voluntarily retired, restricted, disqualified or ineligible lists.

Non-40-man-roster players may be removed by trade, release, placement on the COVID-19 related injured list, or placement on the suspended list (by the club), military, voluntarily retired, restricted, disqualified or ineligible lists. Any injured non-40-man-roster players will continue to count against the team’s Player Pool unless they are removed through one of the aforementioned transactions.

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I guess gives some room later in the season to release some non-roster players if it looks as though they will not be needed and then add some "prospects" for development purposes.

 

Quote from fenn68 on June 28, 2020, 10:12 am

Sunday at 4 p.m. ET marks the first major roster deadline for all 30 teams, which must submit their 60-man Player Pool -- that is, the group of players who will be able to play for them this season. According to the league’s Operating Manual, all players on a 40-man roster “that the Club anticipates participating” during the season will be part of the Player Pool, while the rest will be made up of non-40-man roster players under contract.

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That suggests that probably will not include Munoz in the 60 and add 21st non-roster. Ona may also be "on the bubble" since he likely will not work his way into the ML in 2020 (and even a long shot for 2021) and a more ready option could be included (unless "development" is important).

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We have suggested some "top prospects" should be included (Gore, Patino, Trammell, Arias, Campusano) but might have enough space to include some others with a look at 2021 needs if you consider FA to be and potential payroll considerations.

What about Owen Miller ... middle INF who did well in AA first full season after being drafted ... would have been in AAA this year. Profar will be a FA (and is expensive for his skill level), Dozier probably will not be invited back, Garcia will be in his last season and maybe overpriced for his skill level, France is not a great 2B and the jury is still out on his ML hitting, Cronenworth is intriguing but no guarantee .... so Miller may turn into a 2021 factor if he gets that additional development time.

Would not be surprised a "prospect" RP or two is included even if targeted for AAA in 2021 but with the role of potential call-up. Yates will be a FA, Perdomo may be getting over paid for his skill level, outside chance Stammen / Johnson become trade chips. Plus looking at the potential non-roster veteran options ... the backend is not likely to get the 2020 call and not all that sure that the "prospect" would not be just as good.

Can't outguess the Padres strategy (and their opinion of the non roster options) but could be some surprises in the announcement of the 60.

Quote from hoffy51 on June 28, 2020, 2:56 pm

Does anyone know when the lists are going to be made public?