Quote from WindsorUK on August 17, 2024, 8:07 pm

Does anyone else think it a bit hypocritical that on a game by game basis, they use pitch count for how long a pitcher should be out there? Whereas on a seasonal basis, they use innings as the marker? The two really are quite independent of each other.

Also, do they even take into account how many pitches he throws during bullpen before the game starts? And how many warm up pitches every inning?

For such an expensive asset, the process to "preserve" a guys arm seem rather random.

Quote from fenn68 on August 17, 2024, 8:44 pm

Quote from WindsorUK on August 17, 2024, 8:07 pm

Does anyone else think it a bit hypocritical that on a game by game basis, they use pitch count for how long a pitcher should be out there? Whereas on a seasonal basis, they use innings as the marker? The two really are quite independent of each other.

Also, do they even take into account how many pitches he throws during bullpen before the game starts? And how many warm up pitches every inning?

For such an expensive asset, the process to "preserve" a guys arm seem rather random.

The more analytical teams go deep into pitch count analysis … including non-games pitches, types of pitches thrown, pitches thrown under stress, pitches thrown in short spans, etc … all with different impact on the pitcher’s arm in theory. Beyond that the variation in velocity, shape/movement that may indicate fatigue or a form issue.

It is more the fans. / media that focus on the more simplistic innings metric.

All pitcher’s arms are different … so teams tend to make a more personalize approach to managing them.

Quote from WindsorUK on August 17, 2024, 9:22 pm

Yeah, I'm thinking pitch count is ridiculous. You're probably right, Fenn. They just throw that out there for fan consumption. Gives us yet another statistic to ruminate over.It really means nothing.

 

 

Quote from ultratvfan on August 17, 2024, 9:38 pm

Pitch count is ridiculous. Back in 1974 Nolan Ryan pitch 235 pitches in one game before pitch count was a thing. He pitched 13 innings. Also, he pitched for 27 years. I think pitch count hurts the game more the help.

https://www.mlb.com/news/nolan-ryan-threw-235-pitches-in-one-game

Quote from ultratvfan on August 18, 2024, 1:49 am

Now, the Dodgers Freddie Freeman is out and day to day with jammed right middle finger.

Quote from Stergios on August 18, 2024, 9:22 am

Quote from fenn68 on August 17, 2024, 8:44 pm

Quote from WindsorUK on August 17, 2024, 8:07 pm

Does anyone else think it a bit hypocritical that on a game by game basis, they use pitch count for how long a pitcher should be out there? Whereas on a seasonal basis, they use innings as the marker? The two really are quite independent of each other.

Also, do they even take into account how many pitches he throws during bullpen before the game starts? And how many warm up pitches every inning?

For such an expensive asset, the process to "preserve" a guys arm seem rather random.

The more analytical teams go deep into pitch count analysis … including non-games pitches, types of pitches thrown, pitches thrown under stress, pitches thrown in short spans, etc … all with different impact on the pitcher’s arm in theory. Beyond that the variation in velocity, shape/movement that may indicate fatigue or a form issue.

It is more the fans. / media that focus on the more simplistic innings metric.

All pitcher’s arms are different … so teams tend to make a more personalize approach to managing them.

I know that this type of analysis is ridiculed by many, but I find it fascinating.  The degree to which every aspect of the game is subjected to rigorous investigation is mind-boggling.  And if the players could understand these concepts and their application, they could gain an increased understanding of the game.

Quote from ultratvfan on August 19, 2024, 1:05 pm

Let's hope the padres can get another winning streak going.

Quote from fenn68 on August 19, 2024, 1:28 pm

Not sure we are fully appreciating how dominant the Padres have been over the past 30 days:

1st in MLB BA (.290) and 4th in OPS (.819) … all without Tatis

1st in WHIP (1.09) and 2nd in ERA (3.04) … basically without Darvish and Musgrove

Result MOST wins (19) and fewest losses (5). That is about a 120 win season pace (not sustainable but a great stretch).

 

Quote from MrPadre19 on August 21, 2024, 5:54 am

The Padres keep on winning....unfortunately, so do the dodgers and Diamondbacks.

Each time we get behind I hold confidence we can still win but also wonder when this streak of comebacks will end.

Can we keep it up for two more months?