Quote from MrPadre19 on August 9, 2023, 11:29 am

Quote from Jeremy Hill on August 9, 2023, 10:38 am

This stretch is pretty brutal. There's one 3 game series against the Cardinals at the end of the month. Other than that every team we play for the next month plus is a contender. The saving grace might be that if we make it through it ok 12 of our last 15 are against the A's, Rockies, Cardinals and White Sox. We also have lots of games left against teams ahead of us in the wildcard race. It's just going to come down to whether or not they can finally put a real sustained winning stretch together.

We need to stay close before this easier stretch or it won't matter.

We can't depend on winning 6-7 games in a row so even that easy stretch may not be easy enough.

Plus we don't always step up and beat teams we should.

As long as we stay within 2 games or so of the WC into September we'll have a chance....which is easier said than done considering the schedule the next 3 weeks.

 

Quote from WindsorUK on August 9, 2023, 11:41 am

Am I correct when I say twice in the past few weeks when Luis Campusano has had a 4 hit game, he was on the bench the next day?

Bob Melvin is not that dumb......????

Quote from Alex Tamayo on August 9, 2023, 9:22 pm

Quote from MrPadre19 on August 9, 2023, 11:29 am

Quote from Jeremy Hill on August 9, 2023, 10:38 am

This stretch is pretty brutal. There's one 3 game series against the Cardinals at the end of the month. Other than that every team we play for the next month plus is a contender. The saving grace might be that if we make it through it ok 12 of our last 15 are against the A's, Rockies, Cardinals and White Sox. We also have lots of games left against teams ahead of us in the wildcard race. It's just going to come down to whether or not they can finally put a real sustained winning stretch together.

We need to stay close before this easier stretch or it won't matter.

We can't depend on winning 6-7 games in a row so even that easy stretch may not be easy enough.

Plus we don't always step up and beat teams we should.

As long as we stay within 2 games or so of the WC into September we'll have a chance....which is easier said than done considering the schedule the next 3 weeks.

 

With our players we should be beating those teams in contention anyways, this situation just proves that you can't buy a championship, I can't think one time that somebody tried to do that and it worked (following baseball since 1999), teams that win grow their own superstars and maybe add one or two players to complement what they already have, so, let's not fool ourselves, until our home grown players get to the highest level and succeed the Padres will, in the meantime let's enjoy mediocrity for a couple of years 🙁

Quote from BoosterSD on August 9, 2023, 10:14 pm

Quote from Alex Tamayo on August 9, 2023, 9:22 pm

 

With our players we should be beating those teams in contention anyways, this situation just proves that you can't buy a championship, I can't think one time that somebody tried to do that and it worked (following baseball since 1999), teams that win grow their own superstars and maybe add one or two players to complement what they already have, so, let's not fool ourselves, until our home grown players get to the highest level and succeed the Padres will, in the meantime let's enjoy mediocrity for a couple of years

Yes, you need to be able to beat contenders to be a contender. This team is proving who they, and they are not good.

However, I can think of at least one team that basically "bought" its championship of the top of my head, and that was the 2001 AZ Diamondbacks. Very few of those players were home grown.

Quote from Alex Tamayo on August 9, 2023, 11:19 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on August 9, 2023, 10:14 pm

Quote from Alex Tamayo on August 9, 2023, 9:22 pm

 

With our players we should be beating those teams in contention anyways, this situation just proves that you can't buy a championship, I can't think one time that somebody tried to do that and it worked (following baseball since 1999), teams that win grow their own superstars and maybe add one or two players to complement what they already have, so, let's not fool ourselves, until our home grown players get to the highest level and succeed the Padres will, in the meantime let's enjoy mediocrity for a couple of years

Yes, you need to be able to beat contenders to be a contender. This team is proving who they, and they are not good.

However, I can think of at least one team that basically "bought" its championship of the top of my head, and that was the 2001 AZ Diamondbacks. Very few of those players were home grown.

Sure, but I am not sure they were trying to do so, besides Schilling and Johnson, none of the others were superstars at their prime IMO, most of them were over 30, I can recall  Bell, González, Williams, Finley, Grace, somehow they just clicked together, but It wasn't like the Dbacks were handing contracts of millons and millions of dollars left and right

Quote from Jeremy Hill on August 10, 2023, 10:26 am

The Marlins are the last team to win a World Series with a below average payroll. The Yankees won 4 in 5 years from 1996-2000 with the 1st or 2nd highest payroll in the league every year. The Dodgers had the highest payroll in the league in 2020. The Nationals were 3rd in 2019. The Red Sox were 1st in 2018 and top 3 in all of their recent World Series years.

I agree that you probably want to have a better blend of internally and externally developed talent. Having cheap talent obviously gives you more financial flexibility and the ability to support the major league club from within during the year is a big plus. It's not like extension money counts any less on the payroll than free agent money though. The ability to spend money is only a positive. You just have to spend it on the right guys. Look at the Rangers. They gave out huge money to Seager and Semien. Eovaldi, Gray, Heaney, and Perez all joined the team as free agents. That doesn't even get into deGrom. They may not win the World Series, but I doubt any of us would be complaining if we were in their situation.

 

Quote from sportwarrior on August 10, 2023, 11:51 am

Quote from Alex Tamayo on August 9, 2023, 11:19 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on August 9, 2023, 10:14 pm

Quote from Alex Tamayo on August 9, 2023, 9:22 pm

 

With our players we should be beating those teams in contention anyways, this situation just proves that you can't buy a championship, I can't think one time that somebody tried to do that and it worked (following baseball since 1999), teams that win grow their own superstars and maybe add one or two players to complement what they already have, so, let's not fool ourselves, until our home grown players get to the highest level and succeed the Padres will, in the meantime let's enjoy mediocrity for a couple of years

Yes, you need to be able to beat contenders to be a contender. This team is proving who they, and they are not good.

However, I can think of at least one team that basically "bought" its championship of the top of my head, and that was the 2001 AZ Diamondbacks. Very few of those players were home grown.

Sure, but I am not sure they were trying to do so, besides Schilling and Johnson, none of the others were superstars at their prime IMO, most of them were over 30, I can recall  Bell, González, Williams, Finley, Grace, somehow they just clicked together, but It wasn't like the Dbacks were handing contracts of millons and millions of dollars left and right

I've been saying the 2001 Dbacks bought their championship since they won it, and I'll never think otherwise.

They traded for Matt Williams and signed him to a then-huge 45m extension. They signed Jay Bell as a FA to a 35m contract, one of the first true overpays for middle road talent the game had seen. They had a payroll more than twice that of the Padres, good for 4th largest in the NL and the 8th largest overall.

We're seeing that teams also need chemistry and the right pieces, but make no mistake... Jerry Colangelo definitely paid for that championship.

Quote from Alex Tamayo on August 10, 2023, 12:33 pm

Quote from Jeremy Hill on August 10, 2023, 10:26 am

The Marlins are the last team to win a World Series with a below average payroll. The Yankees won 4 in 5 years from 1996-2000 with the 1st or 2nd highest payroll in the league every year. The Dodgers had the highest payroll in the league in 2020. The Nationals were 3rd in 2019. The Red Sox were 1st in 2018 and top 3 in all of their recent World Series years.

I agree that you probably want to have a better blend of internally and externally developed talent. Having cheap talent obviously gives you more financial flexibility and the ability to support the major league club from within during the year is a big plus. It's not like extension money counts any less on the payroll than free agent money though. The ability to spend money is only a positive. You just have to spend it on the right guys. Look at the Rangers. They gave out huge money to Seager and Semien. Eovaldi, Gray, Heaney, and Perez all joined the team as free agents. That doesn't even get into deGrom. They may not win the World Series, but I doubt any of us would be complaining if we were in their situation.

 

Still the yankees had Jeter, O Hernández, Pettite, Rivera, Posada, Girardi, Williams AND just complemented that with Martínez, Wells and such, the Dodgers had Buehler, Urías, Jansen, Kershaw, W Smith, Seager, Pederson, Bellinger, complemented with Betts, not sure there Is another superstars they got that season or the previous year, Boston same thing, Nats developed Soto and Stasburg, regardless of how much they spend, proof Is that you need a few pieces that contribute at the mlb level to be drafted and/or signed as an international free agent and more importantly developed

Quote from Alex Tamayo on August 10, 2023, 12:44 pm

Quote from sportwarrior on August 10, 2023, 11:51 am

Quote from Alex Tamayo on August 9, 2023, 11:19 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on August 9, 2023, 10:14 pm

Quote from Alex Tamayo on August 9, 2023, 9:22 pm

 

With our players we should be beating those teams in contention anyways, this situation just proves that you can't buy a championship, I can't think one time that somebody tried to do that and it worked (following baseball since 1999), teams that win grow their own superstars and maybe add one or two players to complement what they already have, so, let's not fool ourselves, until our home grown players get to the highest level and succeed the Padres will, in the meantime let's enjoy mediocrity for a couple of years

Yes, you need to be able to beat contenders to be a contender. This team is proving who they, and they are not good.

However, I can think of at least one team that basically "bought" its championship of the top of my head, and that was the 2001 AZ Diamondbacks. Very few of those players were home grown.

Sure, but I am not sure they were trying to do so, besides Schilling and Johnson, none of the others were superstars at their prime IMO, most of them were over 30, I can recall  Bell, González, Williams, Finley, Grace, somehow they just clicked together, but It wasn't like the Dbacks were handing contracts of millons and millions of dollars left and right

I've been saying the 2001 Dbacks bought their championship since they won it, and I'll never think otherwise.

They traded for Matt Williams and signed him to a then-huge 45m extension. They signed Jay Bell as a FA to a 35m contract, one of the first true overpays for middle road talent the game had seen. They had a payroll more than twice that of the Padres, good for 4th largest in the NL and the 8th largest overall.

We're seeing that teams also need chemistry and the right pieces, but make no mistake... Jerry Colangelo definitely paid for that championship.

Sure, although you could say that they were 8th in payroll because they overpaid a couple of players, but, actually It wasn't their true value, also, let's take into account that without Johnson and Schilling there were just a mediocre team, in games where both has a decision they were 45-12, 47-48 when they couldn't get the win for them or when they didn't play, one thing is that Colangelo payed for the championship, very different Is that he bought It out