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Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 17, 2022, 1:23 pmSwanson to Cubs ..possibly the single best news for Padres... KIM's value just went through the roof...
Swanson to Cubs ..possibly the single best news for Padres... KIM's value just went through the roof...
Quote from fenn68 on December 17, 2022, 1:23 pmMLBTR is reporting Swanson is close to a CUBS deal.
Clearly opens the door on a Kim trade whose value has just jumped for a team that wants/needs a SS. Plus defender at a bargain contract for two years. Perfect for a contender.
NYY … ATL … MINN come to mind. Phones are ringing as we speak.
MLBTR is reporting Swanson is close to a CUBS deal.
Clearly opens the door on a Kim trade whose value has just jumped for a team that wants/needs a SS. Plus defender at a bargain contract for two years. Perfect for a contender.
NYY … ATL … MINN come to mind. Phones are ringing as we speak.
Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 17, 2022, 1:26 pmA 3 way with Toronto for Jansen + Arraez (or Kepler) probably my starting point ..if not more
NYY could replenish our upper minors with 2 of their top 5 specs and SP/BP arm Schdmit.... would C Wells + OF Pereira + Schdmit be enough to entice AJP to trade Kim.. Wells and Pereira ETA'S are 2023.. NYY #4 and #5 specs .. + a P that at one point was top 100.. but fell off.. still has good numbers in NYY in limited MLB exposure ..would be in the mix for #5/#6 SP for us ...
Atlanta moved some of the arms I wanted to Oak.. not sure there is a match with them ..unless we want a real old C +
A 3 way with Toronto for Jansen + Arraez (or Kepler) probably my starting point ..if not more
NYY could replenish our upper minors with 2 of their top 5 specs and SP/BP arm Schdmit.... would C Wells + OF Pereira + Schdmit be enough to entice AJP to trade Kim.. Wells and Pereira ETA'S are 2023.. NYY #4 and #5 specs .. + a P that at one point was top 100.. but fell off.. still has good numbers in NYY in limited MLB exposure ..would be in the mix for #5/#6 SP for us ...
Atlanta moved some of the arms I wanted to Oak.. not sure there is a match with them ..unless we want a real old C +
Quote from fenn68 on December 17, 2022, 2:08 pmI put a decent value on Kim because he is a SS (critical position with limited ML options) and gold glove caliber with an “average hit” tool.
ATL and NYY have ML ready pitchers in Anderson and Schmidt maybe not in one for one deals but given the SP situation in 2023 and the future … might be a good get.
MINN on the other hand is bloated with OF candidates and LHH … a current need for the Padres (especially if they deal Kim and keep Cronenworth at 2B.
MINN has to be somewhere in play with projected LHH starters in Arraez (1B), Gordon (2B), Gallo (LF), Kepler (RF), Kiriloff (DH) and pushed down to AAA Larnach (L) and a couple of others. Plus Polanco (SS) is a switch hitter. Add that have a number of RHH OF. In my view Kim is more valuable than any of them one on one so maybe need to structure a “bigger” deal to get two of the hitters while throwing in some RP to MINN.
Jansen will be a hard get since he is penciled in as the starting DH/C … and they are primarily looking for more pitching and will need a DH replacement. It is the pitching that will be the hang-up. So a 3 way deal with ATL makes the most sense (doubt TOR and NYY will deal).
MINN will not give two starters so Arraez and Larnach for Kim and Crismatt (or a AAA RP)? Larnach is primarily a LHH LF/RF and former quality prospect and can clearly DH. Arraez to 1B (defense at 2B in question) but provides a plus lead off hitter ahead of the big four.
The clock is ticking.
I put a decent value on Kim because he is a SS (critical position with limited ML options) and gold glove caliber with an “average hit” tool.
ATL and NYY have ML ready pitchers in Anderson and Schmidt maybe not in one for one deals but given the SP situation in 2023 and the future … might be a good get.
MINN on the other hand is bloated with OF candidates and LHH … a current need for the Padres (especially if they deal Kim and keep Cronenworth at 2B.
MINN has to be somewhere in play with projected LHH starters in Arraez (1B), Gordon (2B), Gallo (LF), Kepler (RF), Kiriloff (DH) and pushed down to AAA Larnach (L) and a couple of others. Plus Polanco (SS) is a switch hitter. Add that have a number of RHH OF. In my view Kim is more valuable than any of them one on one so maybe need to structure a “bigger” deal to get two of the hitters while throwing in some RP to MINN.
Jansen will be a hard get since he is penciled in as the starting DH/C … and they are primarily looking for more pitching and will need a DH replacement. It is the pitching that will be the hang-up. So a 3 way deal with ATL makes the most sense (doubt TOR and NYY will deal).
MINN will not give two starters so Arraez and Larnach for Kim and Crismatt (or a AAA RP)? Larnach is primarily a LHH LF/RF and former quality prospect and can clearly DH. Arraez to 1B (defense at 2B in question) but provides a plus lead off hitter ahead of the big four.
The clock is ticking.
Quote from fenn68 on December 17, 2022, 2:13 pmDoesn’t ATL still have Ian Anderson ticketed for AAA … unless he is not healthy he is a prize prospect.
If the Padres trade Kim for a pitcher … has to be a bigger deal to get at least a replacement bat. Makes the NYY maybe more appealing for Schmidt and Pereira likely to hit the ML. That would also “save” the $7MM due to Kim and redeploy that to sign another bat.
Doesn’t ATL still have Ian Anderson ticketed for AAA … unless he is not healthy he is a prize prospect.
If the Padres trade Kim for a pitcher … has to be a bigger deal to get at least a replacement bat. Makes the NYY maybe more appealing for Schmidt and Pereira likely to hit the ML. That would also “save” the $7MM due to Kim and redeploy that to sign another bat.
Quote from BoosterSD on December 17, 2022, 3:01 pmQuote from fenn68 on December 17, 2022, 2:13 pmIf the Padres trade Kim for a pitcher … has to be a bigger deal to get at least a replacement bat. Makes the NYY maybe more appealing for Schmidt and Pereira likely to hit the ML. That would also “save” the $7MM due to Kim and redeploy that to sign another bat.
How about a little out of the box thinking, and look to NYY for Kim yes, but along with Schimdt, what about getting Aaron Hicks instead of Pereira, which I dont know if they would include.
I know, not Hicks, but after listening to a XM broadcast today, I think Hicks, like Sonny Gray, is just not a NY guy. His 2022 road numbers were very respectable road BA .256 OBP .358, and SLG .374 for an OPS of .732, and he is only $10M AAV per year, and controllable through 2025, and a team option for 2026. He is a SH, and a CFer, and would allow the trade of Grisham as well. Or maybe the inclusion of Grisham, would allow a larger deal.
NYY gets Kim, Grisham, and Pomeranz. SD gets Hicks, Pereira, Schmidt, and one more mid level prospect.
SD saves $10M this season as Pom and Hicks wash, and Grisham and Kim would equal about $10M in savings. NYY goes up $10M, but gets a GG CFer, an almost GG SS, and high end LHRP if healthy. Grisham could really take advantage of the short right field porch in NY.
Quote from fenn68 on December 17, 2022, 2:13 pmIf the Padres trade Kim for a pitcher … has to be a bigger deal to get at least a replacement bat. Makes the NYY maybe more appealing for Schmidt and Pereira likely to hit the ML. That would also “save” the $7MM due to Kim and redeploy that to sign another bat.
How about a little out of the box thinking, and look to NYY for Kim yes, but along with Schimdt, what about getting Aaron Hicks instead of Pereira, which I dont know if they would include.
I know, not Hicks, but after listening to a XM broadcast today, I think Hicks, like Sonny Gray, is just not a NY guy. His 2022 road numbers were very respectable road BA .256 OBP .358, and SLG .374 for an OPS of .732, and he is only $10M AAV per year, and controllable through 2025, and a team option for 2026. He is a SH, and a CFer, and would allow the trade of Grisham as well. Or maybe the inclusion of Grisham, would allow a larger deal.
NYY gets Kim, Grisham, and Pomeranz. SD gets Hicks, Pereira, Schmidt, and one more mid level prospect.
SD saves $10M this season as Pom and Hicks wash, and Grisham and Kim would equal about $10M in savings. NYY goes up $10M, but gets a GG CFer, an almost GG SS, and high end LHRP if healthy. Grisham could really take advantage of the short right field porch in NY.
Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 17, 2022, 3:52 pmJD Martinez 1/$10 to LAD
Hedges to Pirates 1/$5
JD Martinez 1/$10 to LAD
Hedges to Pirates 1/$5
Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 17, 2022, 3:59 pmWatch at whom LAD DFAs to make room for JD... they are at 40...
Also JD Mart sort of makes J Turner a NO to return to LAD
Watch at whom LAD DFAs to make room for JD... they are at 40...
Also JD Mart sort of makes J Turner a NO to return to LAD




