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Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2022, 11:12 amQuote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2022, 11:04 amQuote from Randy Manese on December 12, 2022, 10:23 amTo that end, probably still looking to extend the line-up with a impactful 6th place hitter, preferably a left-handed bat but any hitter who can drive in runs. Also, I'm swinging over to Gallo over Benintendi/Profar/Brantley on a lower cost 2 year deal with a club option for a 3rd year. Gallo is better defensively in the OF than either of the other 3 options and hopefully will be able to get his OBP back to a decent level even though his BA won't ever be high.
I know that I have campaigned for Gallo in the past, and we all know that Preller loves his TEX guys, I just dont see how Gallo can be counted on as #6 hitter in this line up. His numbers keep tumbling down. Went and looked, Gallo compared to Grisham. Now mind you that Gallo has about 1100 more ABs than Grisham, but Grisham has the better lifetime numbers in BA .222 to .199 Gallo, and for Gallo's "great eye" he only has an .09 points advantage over Grisham. Sure Gallo has the much better slug percentage, but for the price tag of $8-10M, dont think Gallo moves the needle for SD at all.
I would go Brantley over Gallo, and Benintendi over Brantley, especially with Benintendi's age, turning 29 during the 2023 season, he is an OFer that help the team for a few seasons.
It depends if we add a C/DH type as well ..even Vazquez .270ish BA would be a solid #6.. I would imagine as things are right now Xander/Nando/Soto and Manny will be 1 to 4 in no particular order....Jake #5 vs RHP.. #8 vs LHP..Kim could hit #5 vs LHP.. But ideally we add a #5/#6 bat or platoon tandem to stretch the lineup +1 spot
Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2022, 11:04 amQuote from Randy Manese on December 12, 2022, 10:23 amTo that end, probably still looking to extend the line-up with a impactful 6th place hitter, preferably a left-handed bat but any hitter who can drive in runs. Also, I'm swinging over to Gallo over Benintendi/Profar/Brantley on a lower cost 2 year deal with a club option for a 3rd year. Gallo is better defensively in the OF than either of the other 3 options and hopefully will be able to get his OBP back to a decent level even though his BA won't ever be high.
I know that I have campaigned for Gallo in the past, and we all know that Preller loves his TEX guys, I just dont see how Gallo can be counted on as #6 hitter in this line up. His numbers keep tumbling down. Went and looked, Gallo compared to Grisham. Now mind you that Gallo has about 1100 more ABs than Grisham, but Grisham has the better lifetime numbers in BA .222 to .199 Gallo, and for Gallo's "great eye" he only has an .09 points advantage over Grisham. Sure Gallo has the much better slug percentage, but for the price tag of $8-10M, dont think Gallo moves the needle for SD at all.
I would go Brantley over Gallo, and Benintendi over Brantley, especially with Benintendi's age, turning 29 during the 2023 season, he is an OFer that help the team for a few seasons.
It depends if we add a C/DH type as well ..even Vazquez .270ish BA would be a solid #6.. I would imagine as things are right now Xander/Nando/Soto and Manny will be 1 to 4 in no particular order....Jake #5 vs RHP.. #8 vs LHP..Kim could hit #5 vs LHP.. But ideally we add a #5/#6 bat or platoon tandem to stretch the lineup +1 spot
Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2022, 11:18 amQuote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2022, 11:04 amQuote from Randy Manese on December 12, 2022, 10:23 amTo that end, probably still looking to extend the line-up with a impactful 6th place hitter, preferably a left-handed bat but any hitter who can drive in runs. Also, I'm swinging over to Gallo over Benintendi/Profar/Brantley on a lower cost 2 year deal with a club option for a 3rd year. Gallo is better defensively in the OF than either of the other 3 options and hopefully will be able to get his OBP back to a decent level even though his BA won't ever be high.
I know that I have campaigned for Gallo in the past, and we all know that Preller loves his TEX guys, I just dont see how Gallo can be counted on as #6 hitter in this line up. His numbers keep tumbling down. Went and looked, Gallo compared to Grisham. Now mind you that Gallo has about 1100 more ABs than Grisham, but Grisham has the better lifetime numbers in BA .222 to .199 Gallo, and for Gallo's "great eye" he only has an .09 points advantage over Grisham. Sure Gallo has the much better slug percentage, but for the price tag of $8-10M, dont think Gallo moves the needle for SD at all.
I would go Brantley over Gallo, and Benintendi over Brantley, especially with Benintendi's age, turning 29 during the 2023 season, he is an OFer that help the team for a few seasons.
Where does Beni play? He is making starter money so if Beni is the guy does he go LF and Tatis CF or does Beni play CF ?
Only position currently open at this moment is DH.. and Bench spots.. assuming Jake 1B and Kim 2B... as such Brantley (2/$20?) Might be a better fit as DH/COF backup.. vs Beni who is an everyday OFer and likely around 5/$75
Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2022, 11:04 amQuote from Randy Manese on December 12, 2022, 10:23 amTo that end, probably still looking to extend the line-up with a impactful 6th place hitter, preferably a left-handed bat but any hitter who can drive in runs. Also, I'm swinging over to Gallo over Benintendi/Profar/Brantley on a lower cost 2 year deal with a club option for a 3rd year. Gallo is better defensively in the OF than either of the other 3 options and hopefully will be able to get his OBP back to a decent level even though his BA won't ever be high.
I know that I have campaigned for Gallo in the past, and we all know that Preller loves his TEX guys, I just dont see how Gallo can be counted on as #6 hitter in this line up. His numbers keep tumbling down. Went and looked, Gallo compared to Grisham. Now mind you that Gallo has about 1100 more ABs than Grisham, but Grisham has the better lifetime numbers in BA .222 to .199 Gallo, and for Gallo's "great eye" he only has an .09 points advantage over Grisham. Sure Gallo has the much better slug percentage, but for the price tag of $8-10M, dont think Gallo moves the needle for SD at all.
I would go Brantley over Gallo, and Benintendi over Brantley, especially with Benintendi's age, turning 29 during the 2023 season, he is an OFer that help the team for a few seasons.
Where does Beni play? He is making starter money so if Beni is the guy does he go LF and Tatis CF or does Beni play CF ?
Only position currently open at this moment is DH.. and Bench spots.. assuming Jake 1B and Kim 2B... as such Brantley (2/$20?) Might be a better fit as DH/COF backup.. vs Beni who is an everyday OFer and likely around 5/$75
Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2022, 11:25 amKinda loving a Wil Myers/Dominic Smith R/L platoon COF/1B/DH rover role can we sign both for around $10-$12 combined? Would strengthen our 9 and Bench
Kinda loving a Wil Myers/Dominic Smith R/L platoon COF/1B/DH rover role can we sign both for around $10-$12 combined? Would strengthen our 9 and Bench
Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2022, 11:26 amQuote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2022, 11:12 am
It depends if we add a C/DH type as well ..even Vazquez .270ish BA would be a solid #6.. I would imagine as things are right now Xander/Nando/Soto and Manny will be 1 to 4 in no particular order....Jake #5 vs RHP.. #8 vs LHP..Kim could hit #5 vs LHP.. But ideally we add a #5/#6 bat or platoon tandem to stretch the lineup +1 spot
At this time, I would lead off Tatis, Grisham, Machado, Soto, X, #6 TBD, Nola, Kim, Crone.
I think Grisham could excel in the two spot next season. Tatis on a lot, no shift, opens a big hole for Grisham. He can bunt really well, and with Machado behind him, and Tatis on base, should some good pitches to hit. Plus he has the speed to get Machado more fastballs as well. Batting Crone 9th, gives him an excellent chance to extend the inning and be on base for Tatis. Plus Nola and Kim have much better career numbers in 7 & 8 than they do in the 9 spot.
Unless we sign Benintendi, then I line him up in the two spot. Brantley would be my #6 hitter if we sign him.
Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2022, 11:12 am
It depends if we add a C/DH type as well ..even Vazquez .270ish BA would be a solid #6.. I would imagine as things are right now Xander/Nando/Soto and Manny will be 1 to 4 in no particular order....Jake #5 vs RHP.. #8 vs LHP..Kim could hit #5 vs LHP.. But ideally we add a #5/#6 bat or platoon tandem to stretch the lineup +1 spot
At this time, I would lead off Tatis, Grisham, Machado, Soto, X, #6 TBD, Nola, Kim, Crone.
I think Grisham could excel in the two spot next season. Tatis on a lot, no shift, opens a big hole for Grisham. He can bunt really well, and with Machado behind him, and Tatis on base, should some good pitches to hit. Plus he has the speed to get Machado more fastballs as well. Batting Crone 9th, gives him an excellent chance to extend the inning and be on base for Tatis. Plus Nola and Kim have much better career numbers in 7 & 8 than they do in the 9 spot.
Unless we sign Benintendi, then I line him up in the two spot. Brantley would be my #6 hitter if we sign him.
Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2022, 11:28 amAgree need more SP depth but some of that has to come for pitchers in AAA. Get the ML piece that is healthy and has the track record to make all his starts (reducing the risk of needed multiple backfills).
As I said before ... just 13 pitchers on the active roster and need a plus bullpen too ... adding a 2nd ML starter effectively bumps someone and if of any quality will not sign to be a swing man.
Probably should go for the best SP for the 5th slot add then see what they have in AAA for the needed call-up for injury ... or wait until mid-season for a trade.
Agree need more SP depth but some of that has to come for pitchers in AAA. Get the ML piece that is healthy and has the track record to make all his starts (reducing the risk of needed multiple backfills).
As I said before ... just 13 pitchers on the active roster and need a plus bullpen too ... adding a 2nd ML starter effectively bumps someone and if of any quality will not sign to be a swing man.
Probably should go for the best SP for the 5th slot add then see what they have in AAA for the needed call-up for injury ... or wait until mid-season for a trade.
Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2022, 11:32 amQuote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2022, 11:25 amKinda loving a Wil Myers/Dominic Smith R/L platoon COF/1B/DH rover role can we sign both for around $10-$12 combined? Would strengthen our 9 and Bench
I think that could work, although Smith is horrible in the OF, and we have much better options for LF defense wise, so he doesnt need to be in the grass. So if we were to go that direction, Myers could easily be a COF/1B,/DH, but Smith needs to play 1B or DH only.
Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2022, 11:25 amKinda loving a Wil Myers/Dominic Smith R/L platoon COF/1B/DH rover role can we sign both for around $10-$12 combined? Would strengthen our 9 and Bench
I think that could work, although Smith is horrible in the OF, and we have much better options for LF defense wise, so he doesnt need to be in the grass. So if we were to go that direction, Myers could easily be a COF/1B,/DH, but Smith needs to play 1B or DH only.
Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2022, 11:34 amQuote from fenn68 on December 12, 2022, 11:28 amAgree need more SP depth but some of that has to come for pitchers in AAA. Get the ML piece that is healthy and has the track record to make all his starts (reducing the risk of needed multiple backfills).
As I said before ... just 13 pitchers on the active roster and need a plus bullpen too ... adding a 2nd ML starter effectively bumps someone and if of any quality will not sign to be a swing man.
Probably should go for the best SP for the 5th slot add then see what they have in AAA for the needed call-up for injury ... or wait until mid-season for a trade.
In a DREAM scene ... we go into the season with Teheran/Groome type 5th/6th..Avila/Knher/Wethers support with a couple starts each... and we hope LAA suck hard and Othani becomes our ACE/DH for the 2nd half.... 😆 🤣
Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2022, 11:28 amAgree need more SP depth but some of that has to come for pitchers in AAA. Get the ML piece that is healthy and has the track record to make all his starts (reducing the risk of needed multiple backfills).
As I said before ... just 13 pitchers on the active roster and need a plus bullpen too ... adding a 2nd ML starter effectively bumps someone and if of any quality will not sign to be a swing man.
Probably should go for the best SP for the 5th slot add then see what they have in AAA for the needed call-up for injury ... or wait until mid-season for a trade.
In a DREAM scene ... we go into the season with Teheran/Groome type 5th/6th..Avila/Knher/Wethers support with a couple starts each... and we hope LAA suck hard and Othani becomes our ACE/DH for the 2nd half.... 😆 🤣
Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2022, 11:41 amAs for another bat (or two) ... and expecting Melvin wants to use the DH as a rotational slot to keep the big bats in the line-up but resting them from the field. So those adds need to have positional skills beyond 1B.
I would add the issue of having a very poor bench beyond the starting eight ... so the first add has to be versatile and with Tatis out for 20 games (with injury concerns) someone who can handle the OF. So, ideally a good hitter that can rotate through DH.
However, the bench behind that 9th hitter is lacking ... so a second versatile add that can cover multiple slots and not force the regulars to move around ... plus the regulars are geared to play everyday but injuries / rest will necessitate back-fill ... so someone who can handle riding the bench and keep sharp (sounds line a veteran player).
Siedler will need to pony up a lot more money to get that 5th SP ... that 9th starting bat ... that bench upgrade ... likely $25-30MM if really want quality out of the remaining FA. Hard to get that done and spend more to upgrade the other positions.
As for another bat (or two) ... and expecting Melvin wants to use the DH as a rotational slot to keep the big bats in the line-up but resting them from the field. So those adds need to have positional skills beyond 1B.
I would add the issue of having a very poor bench beyond the starting eight ... so the first add has to be versatile and with Tatis out for 20 games (with injury concerns) someone who can handle the OF. So, ideally a good hitter that can rotate through DH.
However, the bench behind that 9th hitter is lacking ... so a second versatile add that can cover multiple slots and not force the regulars to move around ... plus the regulars are geared to play everyday but injuries / rest will necessitate back-fill ... so someone who can handle riding the bench and keep sharp (sounds line a veteran player).
Siedler will need to pony up a lot more money to get that 5th SP ... that 9th starting bat ... that bench upgrade ... likely $25-30MM if really want quality out of the remaining FA. Hard to get that done and spend more to upgrade the other positions.
Quote from fenn68 on December 12, 2022, 11:47 amQuote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2022, 11:32 amQuote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2022, 11:25 amKinda loving a Wil Myers/Dominic Smith R/L platoon COF/1B/DH rover role can we sign both for around $10-$12 combined? Would strengthen our 9 and Bench
I think that could work, although Smith is horrible in the OF, and we have much better options for LF defense wise, so he doesnt need to be in the grass. So if we were to go that direction, Myers could easily be a COF/1B,/DH, but Smith needs to play 1B or DH only.
The Smith / Myers does appeal as a lower cost option but maybe not all that low.
Did see in the MLBTR piece on the Tigers that they were in on Myers but not considered favorites ... suggesting that he has other suitors and probably the Tigers were low balling. So, maybe Myers has a better market than we were thinking (that usually means a higher contract).
No idea on Smith's market.
Quote from BoosterSD on December 12, 2022, 11:32 amQuote from Henry Silvestre on December 12, 2022, 11:25 amKinda loving a Wil Myers/Dominic Smith R/L platoon COF/1B/DH rover role can we sign both for around $10-$12 combined? Would strengthen our 9 and Bench
I think that could work, although Smith is horrible in the OF, and we have much better options for LF defense wise, so he doesnt need to be in the grass. So if we were to go that direction, Myers could easily be a COF/1B,/DH, but Smith needs to play 1B or DH only.
The Smith / Myers does appeal as a lower cost option but maybe not all that low.
Did see in the MLBTR piece on the Tigers that they were in on Myers but not considered favorites ... suggesting that he has other suitors and probably the Tigers were low balling. So, maybe Myers has a better market than we were thinking (that usually means a higher contract).
No idea on Smith's market.
Quote from MrPadre19 on December 12, 2022, 11:50 amSomeone help me out with the Christian Vazquez rumors.
Does he really move the needle enough over Nola to make the move?
2022 WAR:
Nola-2.0
Vazquez-2.1
Do we keep them both and trade Campy and would Vazquez be OK with part time play?
If we replace Nola with Vazquez....did we get much better?
With the SP need and the DH need....why we looking at Vazquez?
Someone help me out with the Christian Vazquez rumors.
Does he really move the needle enough over Nola to make the move?
2022 WAR:
Nola-2.0
Vazquez-2.1
Do we keep them both and trade Campy and would Vazquez be OK with part time play?
If we replace Nola with Vazquez....did we get much better?
With the SP need and the DH need....why we looking at Vazquez?




