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What has to happen for us to be competitive in 2020?

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 31, 2019, 1:20 pm

Does anyone have any idea how Tingler feels about stealing bases?

The stolen base has been declining for some time as Teams are hitting more home runs and don't want to run into an out just before the next guy hits one out.

But I was thinking......this current Padre team just traded away their two best,and purest HR hitters.
Sure we have guys who can hit homeruns but we are turning this team into a get on/get over/get in kind of team.

Last year Ronald Acuna led the NL with 37 stolen bases...the lowest level to lead the league since Murry wills in 1961.

1961!

So does Tatis lead the league in Steals in 2020?

Should he?

I'm thinking without a 50 HR guy....or even a 40 HR guy....we should be taking every extra base we can in 20'.

 

 

 

Tingler convinced Withworth to let the Rangers run more in 2019-- So Withworth gave the assigment to Tingler on top of his coaching duties (Outfieldrs) he added running the bases coaching duties to Tingler.... the result -- Rangers led the MLB in Stolen Bases as in #1 for 2019 -- despite being a below average team in terms of speed-- so with Tatis and Margot and lots of other guys with greater speed a foot-- watch for SDP to be among the top 1-3 teams in Stealing in 2020...

Tingler mentioned this in his interviews (following his hire).. He said he like to put pressure on Pitchers by working counts, getting on base and disturbing (creating havoc) the Pitchers by being aggressive and active on the bases..

Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 31, 2019, 3:21 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on December 31, 2019, 1:20 pm

Does anyone have any idea how Tingler feels about stealing bases?

The stolen base has been declining for some time as Teams are hitting more home runs and don't want to run into an out just before the next guy hits one out.

But I was thinking......this current Padre team just traded away their two best,and purest HR hitters.
Sure we have guys who can hit homeruns but we are turning this team into a get on/get over/get in kind of team.

Last year Ronald Acuna led the NL with 37 stolen bases...the lowest level to lead the league since Murry wills in 1961.

1961!

So does Tatis lead the league in Steals in 2020?

Should he?

I'm thinking without a 50 HR guy....or even a 40 HR guy....we should be taking every extra base we can in 20'.

 

 

 

Tingler convinced Withworth to let the Rangers run more in 2019-- So Withworth gave the assigment to Tingler on top of his coaching duties (Outfieldrs) he added running the bases coaching duties to Tingler.... the result -- Rangers led the MLB in Stolen Bases as in #1 for 2019 -- despite being a below average team in terms of speed-- so with Tatis and Margot and lots of other guys with greater speed a foot-- watch for SDP to be among the top 1-3 teams in Stealing in 2020...

Tingler mentioned this in his interviews (following his hire).. He said he like to put pressure on Pitchers by working counts, getting on base and disturbing (creating havoc) the Pitchers by being aggressive and active on the bases..

Wow! That is music to my ears Henry. Thanks for the research. Happy New Year Madfriars! This is going to be one fun decade of Padres baseball. I think this young core will finally bring us the WS title we’ve been waiting for.

Quote from TatisJr on December 31, 2019, 4:08 pm
Quote from Henry Silvestre on December 31, 2019, 3:21 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on December 31, 2019, 1:20 pm

Does anyone have any idea how Tingler feels about stealing bases?

The stolen base has been declining for some time as Teams are hitting more home runs and don't want to run into an out just before the next guy hits one out.

But I was thinking......this current Padre team just traded away their two best,and purest HR hitters.
Sure we have guys who can hit homeruns but we are turning this team into a get on/get over/get in kind of team.

Last year Ronald Acuna led the NL with 37 stolen bases...the lowest level to lead the league since Murry wills in 1961.

1961!

So does Tatis lead the league in Steals in 2020?

Should he?

I'm thinking without a 50 HR guy....or even a 40 HR guy....we should be taking every extra base we can in 20'.

 

 

 

Tingler convinced Withworth to let the Rangers run more in 2019-- So Withworth gave the assigment to Tingler on top of his coaching duties (Outfieldrs) he added running the bases coaching duties to Tingler.... the result -- Rangers led the MLB in Stolen Bases as in #1 for 2019 -- despite being a below average team in terms of speed-- so with Tatis and Margot and lots of other guys with greater speed a foot-- watch for SDP to be among the top 1-3 teams in Stealing in 2020...

Tingler mentioned this in his interviews (following his hire).. He said he like to put pressure on Pitchers by working counts, getting on base and disturbing (creating havoc) the Pitchers by being aggressive and active on the bases..

Wow! That is music to my ears Henry. Thanks for the research. Happy New Year Madfriars! This is going to be one fun decade of Padres baseball. I think this young core will finally bring us the WS title we’ve been waiting for.

I think that Padres have proved beyond a doubt that only scoring / winning with HR doesn't work... particularly when no one on the team knows how to draw a walk.  Shift to a more patient (OBP), ,athletic running team is obvious.  Tatis, Pham, Myers, Margot (if he plays enouth) have 20+ SB potential.  Grisham & Profar maybe 10 SB in P/T roles.  Grisham only 1 in MLB last year, but good (though steadily decreasing) #'s in Minors.  Trammell, Cordero, & Olivares all 20 SB potential too...

I've thought for a long time that SB, bunt, hit/run have been TOO de-emphasized in HR or bust era... has anyone statistically looked at the signficance of a SB now vs 10 years ago with the increase in K's/decrease in BA?  How about the relative effectiveness of hitters vs P when SB threat is on base... I'm convinced it's significant!

Especially if you have good SP, bullpen, and defense (OK, jury's out except at 3B & Hedges) to win close games... hey, how about that!

Read this today about Trey Wingenter on CBS Sportsline.com:

"The case for Trey Wingenter is straightforward: his underlying measures indicate he outpitched his 5.65 ERA. There were 13 pitchers with 40-plus innings last season who: 1) fanned 30 percent or more of the batters they faced; and 2) permitted no more than six hits per nine. Of those 13, eight of them finished with ERA+ better than 150 and three topped 115. The two others were Colin Poche (95), and yes, Wingenter, who somehow checked in at 75. Wingenter has command issues, as evidenced by his walk rate (12.8 percent), but there's no discernible reason for the disconnect between his ERA and his skill indicators. Factor in how he has two above-average pitches -- a mid-to-upper-90s fastball and swing-and-miss slider -- and he has a real chance to put his peculiar 2019 behind him and finish 2020 in a high-leverage role."

 

That's some stat!   Wingenter really had the tendency to allow every single guy on base to score.  SDUT roster ranking pointed out how he really wasn't even close to the same guy he was in beginning of year after a shoulder strain (based mostly on ERA),   But this stat implies his "stuff" was still there, but the early "results" faded away.

Hopefully he's fully healthy this year, and it's a dogfight for last few pen spots, but he could easily win a lower leverage spot & work his way up.    Castillo & even Munoz are not "locks".

Sure seems like he just needs to throw more strikes and quit allowing free passes.

Young guys sometimes have to learn to trust their stuff and quit trying to be so fine with every pitch.

 

Clearly some of his peripherals and his minor league stats give a lot upside potential but he (as with most of the other prospects) are still works in progress, so cautious about their ML performance in 2020.

We had a glimpse in March - May (< 3.00 ERA but in only 18 innings) then (maybe due to injury) a June - Sept (> 7.00 ERA in 33 innings). If injured ... maybe we should ask why no on the IL.

His velo / swing and miss rate are pluses but his command and lower than average spin rate are maybe a drag.

Hard to project how well Wingenter overcomes the issues (including the reported injury issue) to move towards in ceiling. Is he the next Cashner?

Do agree that those last 2-3 RP slots are wide open with no locks (especially for the prospects) ... should be an interesting ST.

Quote from fenn68 on January 7, 2020, 8:04 am

... Is he the next Cashner? ...

We should check in with Josh Byrnes up in LA. If he is the next Cashner, maybe he'll convince his FO to trade us a future perennial all-star bat and a high school aged arm with upside for Wingenter and... um... the rights to Hector Olivera?

I think that all 3-LHP in the BP(Pom, Strahm & Castillo), along with Yates, Stammen and Johnson are guaranteed spots. Castillo was supposed to be our top setup reliever last year, I don’t think his place is in doubt. That leaves only 2 possibly open spots, with Munoz and Guerra being heavy favorites.

Anyway, this makes me quite sure than Wingenter will be starting the year in the minors. It should be good for him. I am not very worried about his future. He showed very well his rookie year in 2018. He has dominating stuff. He was just rushed up to the majors out of a bullpen need  before he was ready. He still has some command work to do and maybe needs to shorten his memory and harden his head.

Not that sure about Castillo on the 26 man to start the season given his lack of innings last season  (9) and being still only 24. Major upside ... but might just ease him back into a repetitive RP role in the minors and make him the call-up mid-season.

For the RP ... ST (and injuries) will be critical.