Quote from MrPadre19 on October 1, 2019, 1:27 pm

I'll start.

How about a scenario where we send Myers to Bos for Price?

They could use a Firstbaseman....both players are not worth their contracts going forward.

Bos is trying to lower their payroll to stay under the threshold and to lock up some younger stars.

I don't have the exact $$ figures but some $$ may have to change hands one way or another.

We could also expand the deal to include prospects to Bos(helps keep payroll down in future for them),or Margot/Naylor and Padres receive Benintendi.

 

Quote from fenn68 on October 1, 2019, 2:02 pm

Myers for Price is not out of the question: Myers (29, 3 years at $20MM per) v. Price (34, 3 years at $32MM per).

Both have under played their contracts and Myers is not the All-Star as expected and Price has not pitched like a #1 consistently.

Would the Padres want to use the additional $12MM to get Price (and maybe little else) then sit with an OF of ????? Would the Red Sox want to get greater salary relief and try to move Price for peanuts but eating maybe $10MM/year thus netting a $22MM savings vs. $12MM with the Myers trade? If Myers is worth peanuts at $20MM ... Boston getting peanuts at $10MM makes more sense to Boston.

I guess a factor is whether Martinez opts out ... would save a lot for Boston but at the same time create a RHH hole in the line-up.

I would put Boston dealing Benintendi a real long shot ... he is good and cheap which is exactly what the want. Two position players will really explore moving are Bradley (CF) and even Betts (RF). Bradley will be around $10MM in his last season and way under performing for that salary (maybe a DFA). Betts will be getting BIG money via arbitration ($25-30MM, at $20MM now) and only 2 years control ... has big trade value ... will not sign an extension. IF Boston must get under the luxury limit for 2020 and as a result not realistically compete in 2020 ... might really build for the future and move on from Betts.

My guess is that Boston needs to get under the luxury tax in 2020 to reset the penalty level ... not a cash flow issue. So, could go back over in 2021 if needed and who knows post the new CBA negotiations. Maybe that point them to move the bigger contracts with only one or two year control as they in 2021 re-arm for 2022 and beyond.

Quote from fenn68 on October 1, 2019, 2:16 pm

I hauled this over from the other forum:

Long shot but worth looking at. The Rockies are now saying they are pretty strapped financially going forward with some players locked in large contracts ... plus they have 4 players moving to arbitration that should be substantial increases. Implying they may be moving into that dreaded "rebuilding" phase.

Could that scenario open the door to them putting Dahl (LHH OF) and/or Gray (RHP) on the market? They would be "easier" to move than their underperforming contacts. Either would be a significant upgrade to the Padres (and a lot of other teams). In this MLB environment, Gray would get the best set of suitors ... and probably command the best return. However, Dahl may be the better target for the Padres .. at a lower price point.

"financially strapped" tends to lead clubs to making desperate moves at the expense of on-field performance. So, the Rockies situation is something to monitor.

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Anyone what to guess what it would take to get either out of COLO?

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 1, 2019, 2:38 pm

Quote from fenn68 on October 1, 2019, 2:02 pm

Myers for Price is not out of the question: Myers (29, 3 years at $20MM per) v. Price (34, 3 years at $32MM per).

Both have under played their contracts and Myers is not the All-Star as expected and Price has not pitched like a #1 consistently.

Would the Padres want to use the additional $12MM to get Price (and maybe little else) then sit with an OF of ????? Would the Red Sox want to get greater salary relief and try to move Price for peanuts but eating maybe $10MM/year thus netting a $22MM savings vs. $12MM with the Myers trade? If Myers is worth peanuts at $20MM ... Boston getting peanuts at $10MM makes more sense to Boston.

I guess a factor is whether Martinez opts out ... would save a lot for Boston but at the same time create a RHH hole in the line-up.

I would put Boston dealing Benintendi a real long shot ... he is good and cheap which is exactly what the want. Two position players will really explore moving are Bradley (CF) and even Betts (RF). Bradley will be around $10MM in his last season and way under performing for that salary (maybe a DFA). Betts will be getting BIG money via arbitration ($25-30MM, at $20MM now) and only 2 years control ... has big trade value ... will not sign an extension. IF Boston must get under the luxury limit for 2020 and as a result not realistically compete in 2020 ... might really build for the future and move on from Betts.

My guess is that Boston needs to get under the luxury tax in 2020 to reset the penalty level ... not a cash flow issue. So, could go back over in 2021 if needed and who knows post the new CBA negotiations. Maybe that point them to move the bigger contracts with only one or two year control as they in 2021 re-arm for 2022 and beyond.

Why not expand this to Price + Benintendi for Myers + Joey Fuego + Naylor

We get a lefty high OBP  bat with some upside .. We get Price who improves P... Sox save $12 mil per x3.. They get a replacement SP for at least Porcello with better production projection than Porcello 2019... And they get Naylor who can be a terrific DH/OF/1B option for Sox and protects them in case JDM leaves.. Naylor > Benintendi as a hitter (ceiling) Benintendi better overall OFer..more suited for NL...

 

Also I believe Benintendi arb 1... Vs Naylor minimum ...so there is another $3-$5 mil in savings for Sox

Quote from JasonE135 on October 1, 2019, 2:38 pm

Quote from fenn68 on October 1, 2019, 2:16 pm

I hauled this over from the other forum:

Long shot but worth looking at. The Rockies are now saying they are pretty strapped financially going forward with some players locked in large contracts ... plus they have 4 players moving to arbitration that should be substantial increases. Implying they may be moving into that dreaded "rebuilding" phase.

Could that scenario open the door to them putting Dahl (LHH OF) and/or Gray (RHP) on the market? They would be "easier" to move than their underperforming contacts. Either would be a significant upgrade to the Padres (and a lot of other teams). In this MLB environment, Gray would get the best set of suitors ... and probably command the best return. However, Dahl may be the better target for the Padres .. at a lower price point.

"financially strapped" tends to lead clubs to making desperate moves at the expense of on-field performance. So, the Rockies situation is something to monitor.

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Anyone what to guess what it would take to get either out of COLO?

I would think that if their major reason for making trades is financial, then they would mostly be trying to trade their big contracts. That being said, Gray could be available  because he is in arbitration. He could be helpful if we end up trading a starter or two. I might mess myself if we could get Dahl. He has only had one year so he has plenty of control left. I would think he would be expensive, but definitely worth looking into.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 1, 2019, 2:50 pm

Lindor (Cleveland)

For

Urias + Hedges + Arias + Morejon

 

Lindor makes us contenders immediately on offense..even with the OF staying put

a 1-5 of Tatis Jr- Hosmer - Machado- Lindor- Renfroe.. Would be very nice... A bottom of the order of Mejia/Myers/Margot or Naylor would be terrific vs 2019 blackhole

Quote from Henry Silvestre on October 1, 2019, 2:51 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on October 1, 2019, 2:38 pm

Quote from fenn68 on October 1, 2019, 2:16 pm

I hauled this over from the other forum:

Long shot but worth looking at. The Rockies are now saying they are pretty strapped financially going forward with some players locked in large contracts ... plus they have 4 players moving to arbitration that should be substantial increases. Implying they may be moving into that dreaded "rebuilding" phase.

Could that scenario open the door to them putting Dahl (LHH OF) and/or Gray (RHP) on the market? They would be "easier" to move than their underperforming contacts. Either would be a significant upgrade to the Padres (and a lot of other teams). In this MLB environment, Gray would get the best set of suitors ... and probably command the best return. However, Dahl may be the better target for the Padres .. at a lower price point.

"financially strapped" tends to lead clubs to making desperate moves at the expense of on-field performance. So, the Rockies situation is something to monitor.

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Anyone what to guess what it would take to get either out of COLO?

I would think that if their major reason for making trades is financial, then they would mostly be trying to trade their big contracts. That being said, Gray could be available  because he is in arbitration. He could be helpful if we end up trading a starter or two. I might mess myself if we could get Dahl. He has only had one year so he has plenty of control left. I would think he would be expensive, but definitely worth looking into.

Just say no to Blackmon he is horrible away from Coors

Quote from TatisJr on October 1, 2019, 2:55 pm

Lindor is my favorite non Padre player in baseball, but I don’t see the Pads trading for him because the cost in prospects and he would be a 2 year rental. No way they would pay him what he’s going to get when he hits FA. I think the only teams that could pull off Lindor deal would be the NYY or (🤮🤮🤮) Dodgers.

Quote from WindsorUK on October 1, 2019, 3:14 pm

Reckon the Tribe would accept Patino as a center piece for Lindor?

I don't know what else Cleveland needs but 2 or 3 other pieces might get them interested?