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Quote from Brian Connelly on July 12, 2020, 11:15 amMadfriars guys & others do the heavy duty ranking... I focus more on compiling & averaging, but do my own deep list to use as a tiebreaker... I make subjective decisions on guys like Mateo or Munoz who were in few rankings.
Madfriars guys as a group were relatively "high" on Joey Cantillo and "low" on Owen Miller. They were also higher than consensus on: Lawson, Bolanos, Potts, Ornelas, Hunt, & Josh Mears. They were lower than consensus on Munoz & Cronenworth, but this was by exclusion from all or some respectively of their individual rankings due to Munoz MLB service time & timing of Cronenworth trade arrival.
I was also relatively high on Lawson & Hunt, and low on Miller. I was also higher than consensus (top 30) on: Trammell, Munoz, Cronenworth, Logan Driscoll (traded), Austin Allen (traded), & Jorge Ona. But I was lower than consensus on: Cantillo, Hudson Head, Marcano, (especially) Ornelas, Javier Guerra, & Esteury Ruiz. Hopefully MF is right on Cantillo & Ornelas.
Didn't spend too much time digging, but National rankings were more high on Owen Miller & weirdly Guerra (5 top 25's). They were relatively low on Cantillo & Edward Olivares.
Madfriars guys & others do the heavy duty ranking... I focus more on compiling & averaging, but do my own deep list to use as a tiebreaker... I make subjective decisions on guys like Mateo or Munoz who were in few rankings.
Madfriars guys as a group were relatively "high" on Joey Cantillo and "low" on Owen Miller. They were also higher than consensus on: Lawson, Bolanos, Potts, Ornelas, Hunt, & Josh Mears. They were lower than consensus on Munoz & Cronenworth, but this was by exclusion from all or some respectively of their individual rankings due to Munoz MLB service time & timing of Cronenworth trade arrival.
I was also relatively high on Lawson & Hunt, and low on Miller. I was also higher than consensus (top 30) on: Trammell, Munoz, Cronenworth, Logan Driscoll (traded), Austin Allen (traded), & Jorge Ona. But I was lower than consensus on: Cantillo, Hudson Head, Marcano, (especially) Ornelas, Javier Guerra, & Esteury Ruiz. Hopefully MF is right on Cantillo & Ornelas.
Didn't spend too much time digging, but National rankings were more high on Owen Miller & weirdly Guerra (5 top 25's). They were relatively low on Cantillo & Edward Olivares.
Quote from LynchMob on August 11, 2020, 9:34 amUpdated Top 30 at mlb.com ... with 2020 draftees added ... I hope that Reggie Lawson (et al) is better than Jake Cronenworth 🙂
https://www.mlb.com/prospects/padres/
MacKenzie Gore CJ Abrams Luis Patino Luis Campusano Taylor Trammell Robert Hassell Adrian Morejon Michel Baez Gabriel Arias Ryan Weathers Joey Cantillo Cole Wilcox Owen Miller Tucupita Marcano Jorge Mateo Hudson Head Hudson Potts Reggie Lawson Jake Cronenworth Jeisson Rosario Edward Olivares Reginald Preciado Justin Lange Owen Caissie Blake Hunt Ismael Mena Javy Guerra Tirso Ornelas Joshua Mears Esteury Ruiz
Updated Top 30 at mlb.com ... with 2020 draftees added ... I hope that Reggie Lawson (et al) is better than Jake Cronenworth 🙂
https://www.mlb.com/prospects/padres/
| MacKenzie Gore |
| CJ Abrams |
| Luis Patino |
| Luis Campusano |
| Taylor Trammell |
| Robert Hassell |
| Adrian Morejon |
| Michel Baez |
| Gabriel Arias |
| Ryan Weathers |
| Joey Cantillo |
| Cole Wilcox |
| Owen Miller |
| Tucupita Marcano |
| Jorge Mateo |
| Hudson Head |
| Hudson Potts |
| Reggie Lawson |
| Jake Cronenworth |
| Jeisson Rosario |
| Edward Olivares |
| Reginald Preciado |
| Justin Lange |
| Owen Caissie |
| Blake Hunt |
| Ismael Mena |
| Javy Guerra |
| Tirso Ornelas |
| Joshua Mears |
| Esteury Ruiz |
Quote from Brian Connelly on August 11, 2020, 10:36 amThanks for heads up. Think it's exactly right for 3 of the 4 draft picks. I would have Lange higher around #16-17.
Thanks for heads up. Think it's exactly right for 3 of the 4 draft picks. I would have Lange higher around #16-17.
Quote from fenn68 on August 11, 2020, 1:51 pmI know it is my home town bias ... but more than 1 -30 all being young to very young, they all seem to have some legit ML potential. Really good for the future.
A lot of teams ... once you get past their top 10 ... have a collection of “older” really marginal prospects because someone has to fill all 30 slots. Not seeing that with the Padres list.
I know it is my home town bias ... but more than 1 -30 all being young to very young, they all seem to have some legit ML potential. Really good for the future.
A lot of teams ... once you get past their top 10 ... have a collection of “older” really marginal prospects because someone has to fill all 30 slots. Not seeing that with the Padres list.
Quote from fenn68 on August 30, 2020, 12:06 pmSome house keeping due to the recent trades of Olivares, Potts, and Rosario who were all on MLBPipelines Top 30.
Added are some old favorites (noting that MLB is not doing any ranking updates given no minor league season):
28. Espinosa
29. Bachar
30. Bednar
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should keep an eye out for some of the active roster players falling out of the top 30 by the end of the season as they cross the rookie limits .... 45 days on the active roster / 130 AB / 50 innings pitched. So clearing rookie status should be: Cronenworth and Guerra by mid-Sept. Patino may be close at the end of the season. Mateo may just miss the cutoff. (I am guessing the historical Sept exclusion will not be in place since it was based on expanded rosters and that is not happening this year).
So, at least 3 new names at the bottom going into the winter.
Some house keeping due to the recent trades of Olivares, Potts, and Rosario who were all on MLBPipelines Top 30.
Added are some old favorites (noting that MLB is not doing any ranking updates given no minor league season):
28. Espinosa
29. Bachar
30. Bednar
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should keep an eye out for some of the active roster players falling out of the top 30 by the end of the season as they cross the rookie limits .... 45 days on the active roster / 130 AB / 50 innings pitched. So clearing rookie status should be: Cronenworth and Guerra by mid-Sept. Patino may be close at the end of the season. Mateo may just miss the cutoff. (I am guessing the historical Sept exclusion will not be in place since it was based on expanded rosters and that is not happening this year).
So, at least 3 new names at the bottom going into the winter.
Quote from fenn68 on September 1, 2020, 11:10 amWell the the recent deals open a few more MLBPipeline slot to insert some new Top 30 prospects ... this time not just adding to the bottom of the list with former pieces. Added:
19. Perez ... OF ... FW ... 19 years old
26. Cruz ... LHP ... FW ... 21 years old
28. Haynes ... LHP ... 2020 draft 5th round ... 17 years old
30. Avila ... RHP ... AAA IL .... 23 years old (I guess not totally forgotten)
Side: Levi Thomas has to be slighted as the only 2020 Padres pick (4th round) not to make the new Top 30 .... so far ... since can't be too long before Cronenworth and Guerra graduate out giving him another chance.
Well the the recent deals open a few more MLBPipeline slot to insert some new Top 30 prospects ... this time not just adding to the bottom of the list with former pieces. Added:
19. Perez ... OF ... FW ... 19 years old
26. Cruz ... LHP ... FW ... 21 years old
28. Haynes ... LHP ... 2020 draft 5th round ... 17 years old
30. Avila ... RHP ... AAA IL .... 23 years old (I guess not totally forgotten)
Side: Levi Thomas has to be slighted as the only 2020 Padres pick (4th round) not to make the new Top 30 .... so far ... since can't be too long before Cronenworth and Guerra graduate out giving him another chance.
Quote from Randy Manese on September 1, 2020, 12:36 pmI'd add Yeison Santana (ss/2b) and Luarbert Arias (RHP) for consideration on the list.
I'd add Yeison Santana (ss/2b) and Luarbert Arias (RHP) for consideration on the list.
Quote from LynchMob on September 3, 2020, 9:35 amUpdated Top 30 at mlb.com ... post-trade frenzy ... you'd think they'd also update Cronie's spot
I think the Top 8 are significant prospects! 8! Still! And a lot of the following 22 are real prospects ... it's still both top heavy *and* deep!
The future is BRIGHT! ... *AND* ... The future is NOW!
https://www.mlb.com/prospects/padres/
RANK PLAYER POSITION 1 MacKenzie Gore LHP 2 CJ Abrams SS 3 Luis Patino RHP 4 Luis Campusano C 5 Robert Hassell OF 6 Adrian Morejon LHP 7 Ryan Weathers LHP 8 Cole Wilcox RHP 9 Tucupita Marcano INF 10 Jorge Mateo SS/2B 11 Hudson Head OF 12 Reggie Lawson RHP 13 Jake Cronenworth SS/RHP 14 Reginald Preciado SS 15 Justin Lange RHP 16 Owen Caissie OF 17 Blake Hunt C 18 Ismael Mena OF 19 Junior Perez OF 20 Javy Guerra RHP 21 Tirso Ornelas OF 22 Joshua Mears OF 23 Esteury Ruiz 2B 24 Jorge Ona OF 25 Anderson Espinoza RHP 26 Omar Cruz LHP 27 Lake Bachar RHP 28 Jagger Haynes LHP 29 David Bednar RHP 30 Pedro Avila RHP
Updated Top 30 at mlb.com ... post-trade frenzy ... you'd think they'd also update Cronie's spot
I think the Top 8 are significant prospects! 8! Still! And a lot of the following 22 are real prospects ... it's still both top heavy *and* deep!
The future is BRIGHT! ... *AND* ... The future is NOW!
https://www.mlb.com/prospects/padres/
| RANK | PLAYER | POSITION |
| 1 | MacKenzie Gore | LHP |
| 2 | CJ Abrams | SS |
| 3 | Luis Patino | RHP |
| 4 | Luis Campusano | C |
| 5 | Robert Hassell | OF |
| 6 | Adrian Morejon | LHP |
| 7 | Ryan Weathers | LHP |
| 8 | Cole Wilcox | RHP |
| 9 | Tucupita Marcano | INF |
| 10 | Jorge Mateo | SS/2B |
| 11 | Hudson Head | OF |
| 12 | Reggie Lawson | RHP |
| 13 | Jake Cronenworth | SS/RHP |
| 14 | Reginald Preciado | SS |
| 15 | Justin Lange | RHP |
| 16 | Owen Caissie | OF |
| 17 | Blake Hunt | C |
| 18 | Ismael Mena | OF |
| 19 | Junior Perez | OF |
| 20 | Javy Guerra | RHP |
| 21 | Tirso Ornelas | OF |
| 22 | Joshua Mears | OF |
| 23 | Esteury Ruiz | 2B |
| 24 | Jorge Ona | OF |
| 25 | Anderson Espinoza | RHP |
| 26 | Omar Cruz | LHP |
| 27 | Lake Bachar | RHP |
| 28 | Jagger Haynes | LHP |
| 29 | David Bednar | RHP |
| 30 | Pedro Avila | RHP |
Quote from Brian Connelly on September 3, 2020, 11:24 amCronenworth by my standards (100 AB) has graduated. With only 22 games left, and Clevinger & bullpen adds likely taking IP from Morejon & Patino, the only other guy on this list who will "graduate" this year is Javy Guerra.
Top 3 are in top 30 MLB, Campusano likely #40-60, next group of 3 (Morejon, Weathers, Hassell) all arguably in top 100 MLB.
7 "top 100" prospects with the strength of the top 4, plus adding two additional "1st round picks" this year (Wilcox, Lange), I don't see how we can be any lower than a top 5 system in 2021 despite all the guys moved out.... UNBELIEVEABLE!
The dropoff after #7 is way steeper now, and we're obviously not the runaway #1 "deepest" system in MLB any more....but Farm was SO deep that we're easily still in the top 10, maybe top 5 in that category too.
I'm glad that we know that Tucupita Marcano is not one of the PTBNL's that we owe (since he is in the 60-man pool, he would have been "named") to: Brewers (Grisham/Davies), A's (Mateo), Royals (Rosenthal), or Mariners (T. Williams). Dennis Lin said it's RP Matt Brash for Willams. Someone said "low level P prospect" for Rosenthal. But I speculated when we got Mateo that b/c he is still a highly rated prospect despite being out of options, that the likely cost was one of our Rule 5 eligible ranked prospects. Since Potts & J. Rosario already went to Boston, I strongly suspect it might be Ornelas back to the A's. But I really hope it's not him or Blake Hunt.
Cronenworth by my standards (100 AB) has graduated. With only 22 games left, and Clevinger & bullpen adds likely taking IP from Morejon & Patino, the only other guy on this list who will "graduate" this year is Javy Guerra.
Top 3 are in top 30 MLB, Campusano likely #40-60, next group of 3 (Morejon, Weathers, Hassell) all arguably in top 100 MLB.
7 "top 100" prospects with the strength of the top 4, plus adding two additional "1st round picks" this year (Wilcox, Lange), I don't see how we can be any lower than a top 5 system in 2021 despite all the guys moved out.... UNBELIEVEABLE!
The dropoff after #7 is way steeper now, and we're obviously not the runaway #1 "deepest" system in MLB any more....but Farm was SO deep that we're easily still in the top 10, maybe top 5 in that category too.
I'm glad that we know that Tucupita Marcano is not one of the PTBNL's that we owe (since he is in the 60-man pool, he would have been "named") to: Brewers (Grisham/Davies), A's (Mateo), Royals (Rosenthal), or Mariners (T. Williams). Dennis Lin said it's RP Matt Brash for Willams. Someone said "low level P prospect" for Rosenthal. But I speculated when we got Mateo that b/c he is still a highly rated prospect despite being out of options, that the likely cost was one of our Rule 5 eligible ranked prospects. Since Potts & J. Rosario already went to Boston, I strongly suspect it might be Ornelas back to the A's. But I really hope it's not him or Blake Hunt.
Quote from MrPadre19 on September 3, 2020, 1:36 pmJust imagine the NL Rookie of the Year was our "13th" rated prospect!
Other teams fans must be jealous right now.
Never thought I would be saying THAT so soon.
Thought it would be a couple more years before we were where we are......just really sucks that long suffering Padre fans
can't be at the games to enjoy this with the team!
Just imagine the NL Rookie of the Year was our "13th" rated prospect!
Other teams fans must be jealous right now.
Never thought I would be saying THAT so soon.
Thought it would be a couple more years before we were where we are......just really sucks that long suffering Padre fans
can't be at the games to enjoy this with the team!




