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Quote from Personal Fable on August 17, 2022, 10:31 amQuote from fenn68 on August 8, 2022, 11:29 amNot sure if any of the prospect ranking folks really do a full blown re-ranking process mid-season. Clearly MLBPipeline doesn’t … just adds who was next on their list from pre-season to the bottom as others get traded or graduate. Others just “stick in” the old list new system adds.
I would expect a lot of significant ups and down movement when the post-season re-rankings occur.
Actually MLBPipeline does. In fact they just did.
https://twitter.com/mlbpipeline/status/1559912916475838468?s=21&t=mZaN0ysFkId4NilKr7TRFg
Campusano 98, Merrill 88.
Quote from fenn68 on August 8, 2022, 11:29 amNot sure if any of the prospect ranking folks really do a full blown re-ranking process mid-season. Clearly MLBPipeline doesn’t … just adds who was next on their list from pre-season to the bottom as others get traded or graduate. Others just “stick in” the old list new system adds.
I would expect a lot of significant ups and down movement when the post-season re-rankings occur.
Actually MLBPipeline does. In fact they just did.
The NEW Top 100 list is here!
Have at it: https://t.co/maP4sHAkgQ pic.twitter.com/wCc1TsSWzZ
— MLB Pipeline (@MLBPipeline) August 17, 2022
Campusano 98, Merrill 88.
Quote from fenn68 on August 17, 2022, 11:38 amJust a side comment ... it has always been my bias that these rankings should be divided into two lists:
- Prospects that have been playing in full season ball
- Prospects that are in Rookie / DSL / just drafted
Maybe list of 15 each ... has to be almost impossible blend the performance shown in full season work and the raw potential seen in amateur play and come up with a "credible" list. At least with the list of full season prospects get a better view of near term help for the parent club.
Just a side comment ... it has always been my bias that these rankings should be divided into two lists:
- Prospects that have been playing in full season ball
- Prospects that are in Rookie / DSL / just drafted
Maybe list of 15 each ... has to be almost impossible blend the performance shown in full season work and the raw potential seen in amateur play and come up with a "credible" list. At least with the list of full season prospects get a better view of near term help for the parent club.
Quote from Personal Fable on August 17, 2022, 11:52 amProspect Watch and Ranked lists. No player should be listed without playing full season ball. No long term injury player should be listed. Shoulders injuries for hitters, TJ and Shoulders for pitchers. Allowing you to demote the injured player without defaming them if they return to form.
Prospect Watch and Ranked lists. No player should be listed without playing full season ball. No long term injury player should be listed. Shoulders injuries for hitters, TJ and Shoulders for pitchers. Allowing you to demote the injured player without defaming them if they return to form.
Quote from LynchMob on March 26, 2023, 11:10 amHere’s a look at the Padres top prospects:
1. Jackson Merrill, SS (MLB No. 19)
2. Dylan Lesko, RHP (MLB No. 100)
3. Ethan Salas, C
4. Samuel Zavala, OF
5. Robby Snelling, LHP
Complete Top 30 list »Biggest Jump: Nerwilian Cedeno, 2B/3B/1B (2022: NR | 2023: No. 12)
The Venezuelan infielder had played only 18 stateside games entering 2023, in part due to a meniscus tear in 2022. He got additional 2023 playing time with Lake Elsinore, hitting .256/.362/.400 in 71 games, and added a bit more during a spin through the Arizona Fall League. While the numbers don’t pop, Cedeno still looks the part of a switch-hitter with enough bat speed to provide a decent performance at the plate over the long term. He should get opportunities at multiple infield spots moving forward, but he’s most valuable if he can make second base his long-term home.
Here’s a look at the Padres top prospects:
1. Jackson Merrill, SS (MLB No. 19)
2. Dylan Lesko, RHP (MLB No. 100)
3. Ethan Salas, C
4. Samuel Zavala, OF
5. Robby Snelling, LHP
Complete Top 30 list »
Biggest Jump: Nerwilian Cedeno, 2B/3B/1B (2022: NR | 2023: No. 12)
The Venezuelan infielder had played only 18 stateside games entering 2023, in part due to a meniscus tear in 2022. He got additional 2023 playing time with Lake Elsinore, hitting .256/.362/.400 in 71 games, and added a bit more during a spin through the Arizona Fall League. While the numbers don’t pop, Cedeno still looks the part of a switch-hitter with enough bat speed to provide a decent performance at the plate over the long term. He should get opportunities at multiple infield spots moving forward, but he’s most valuable if he can make second base his long-term home.
Quote from LynchMob on December 8, 2023, 8:00 amI *love* the lists 🙂
https://madfriars.com/2023/11/27/madfriars-top-30-for-2024-conniff-edition/
I *love* the lists 🙂
Quote from LynchMob on December 22, 2023, 6:21 pm1. C Ethan Salas (Tier 1)
2. SS Jackson Merrill (Tier 1)
3. LHP Robby Snelling (Tier 1)
4. RHP Dylan Lesko (Tier 1)
5. OF Samuel Zavala (Tier 1)
6. RHP Drew Thorpe (Tier 2)
7. RHP Jairo Iriarte (Tier 2)
8. OF Jakob Marsee (Tier 2)
9. RHP Adam Mazur (Tier 3)
10. OF Dillon Head (Tier 3)
10. LHP Victor Lizarraga (Tier 3)
1. C Ethan Salas (Tier 1)
2. SS Jackson Merrill (Tier 1)
3. LHP Robby Snelling (Tier 1)
4. RHP Dylan Lesko (Tier 1)
5. OF Samuel Zavala (Tier 1)
6. RHP Drew Thorpe (Tier 2)
7. RHP Jairo Iriarte (Tier 2)
8. OF Jakob Marsee (Tier 2)
9. RHP Adam Mazur (Tier 3)
10. OF Dillon Head (Tier 3)
10. LHP Victor Lizarraga (Tier 3)
Quote from Randy Manese on December 23, 2023, 12:15 amI also like lists as a quick reference source but really want more meat on the bone as to why a player is rated as he is. For that reason prefer the lists from Baseball America, MLB.com and the multiple lists provided by MadFriars. Recently, found a You Tube podcast "The Call Up" which rates each MLB team's top 15 prospects plus another 5 to watch. They've gone through the NL West and are now doing the NL Central teams and each podcast last a little over an hour. Not sure what makes these 2 guys experts but they are very entertaining and seem to have some solid rationale for their ratings. Padres are rated by them as having the best top 6 prospects in their system in the NL West with Merrill rated #1. Gives you another perspective from outside the organization.
Spoiler alert: they are down on Sammy Zavala but high on Dillon Head. Recalling the horrific start Zavala had at Lake Elsinore in 2023 and the equally horrific end of the season he had at Ft. Wayne, I can see why but in between those stretches, he was very good. Also, he had an oblique injury at Ft. Wayne which greatly diminished his production, so I've still got hope that Zavala can be closer to the top 5 than the bottom of the top 10 in most ratings.
I also like lists as a quick reference source but really want more meat on the bone as to why a player is rated as he is. For that reason prefer the lists from Baseball America, MLB.com and the multiple lists provided by MadFriars. Recently, found a You Tube podcast "The Call Up" which rates each MLB team's top 15 prospects plus another 5 to watch. They've gone through the NL West and are now doing the NL Central teams and each podcast last a little over an hour. Not sure what makes these 2 guys experts but they are very entertaining and seem to have some solid rationale for their ratings. Padres are rated by them as having the best top 6 prospects in their system in the NL West with Merrill rated #1. Gives you another perspective from outside the organization.
Spoiler alert: they are down on Sammy Zavala but high on Dillon Head. Recalling the horrific start Zavala had at Lake Elsinore in 2023 and the equally horrific end of the season he had at Ft. Wayne, I can see why but in between those stretches, he was very good. Also, he had an oblique injury at Ft. Wayne which greatly diminished his production, so I've still got hope that Zavala can be closer to the top 5 than the bottom of the top 10 in most ratings.
Quote from LynchMob on January 3, 2024, 10:18 amFanGraphs Top 20 ... https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects
2023 Updated
Rk Name Pos Tm FV 1 Jackson Holliday SS BAL 602 James Wood CF WSN 603 Jackson Chourio CF MIL 604 Dylan Crews CF WSN 605 Jordan Lawlar SS ARI 606 Paul Skenes SP PIT 607 Jackson Merrill SS SDP 608 Adael Amador 2B COL 609 Andrew Painter SP PHI 6010 Brooks Lee SS MIN 5511 Junior Caminero 3B TBR 5512 Colson Montgomery 3B CHW 5513 Diego Cartaya C LAD 5514 Ethan Salas C SDP 5515 Wyatt Langford LF TEX 5516 Marcelo Mayer SS BOS 5517 Kyle Harrison SP SFG 5518 Ricky Tiedemann SP TOR 5519 Mick Abel SP PHI 5520 Curtis Mead LF TBR 55
FanGraphs Top 20 ... https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects
| Rk | Name | Pos | Tm | FV |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Jackson Holliday | SS | BAL |
60
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| 2 | James Wood | CF | WSN |
60
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| 3 | Jackson Chourio | CF | MIL |
60
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| 4 | Dylan Crews | CF | WSN |
60
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| 5 | Jordan Lawlar | SS | ARI |
60
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| 6 | Paul Skenes | SP | PIT |
60
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| 7 | Jackson Merrill | SS | SDP |
60
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| 8 | Adael Amador | 2B | COL |
60
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| 9 | Andrew Painter | SP | PHI |
60
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| 10 | Brooks Lee | SS | MIN |
55
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| 11 | Junior Caminero | 3B | TBR |
55
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| 12 | Colson Montgomery | 3B | CHW |
55
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| 13 | Diego Cartaya | C | LAD |
55
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| 14 | Ethan Salas | C | SDP |
55
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| 15 | Wyatt Langford | LF | TEX |
55
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| 16 | Marcelo Mayer | SS | BOS |
55
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| 17 | Kyle Harrison | SP | SFG |
55
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| 18 | Ricky Tiedemann | SP | TOR |
55
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| 19 | Mick Abel | SP | PHI |
55
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| 20 | Curtis Mead | LF | TBR |
55
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Quote from LynchMob on January 5, 2024, 8:02 amhttps://madfriars.com/2024/01/04/madfriars-top-30-for-2024-charity-edition/
Quote from fenn68 on January 5, 2024, 8:23 amSaw a new 2024 Top 10 prospect list (Dynasty Dugout) ... the expected #1-4: Merrill; Salas; Snelling; and Lesko ... this was prior to the Soto trade.
What was interesting was Iriate was #6 and Pauley was #7. Also, Mazur was 8th and Marsee was 10th.
Given that Shildt did include Iriate as in the mix for a SP in 2024 ... coupled with upside reports from 2023 suggesting he may push the MLB Top 100 ... maybe I need to alter my thinking a bit. Clearly has "stuff" but just barely into AA and still has control issues. Also billed as a closer for the future. Based on nothing ... see the next Lamet right now. With the value of pitching ... if the Padres have a comfort level with the other pitching prospects could Iriate be an effective trade chip?
Pauley to me was the most interesting ... a big leap to #6 (ahead of the more hyped Marsee) ... with a lot of love for his hitting upside ... see him as a potential LF option (was worked there in AZ Fall). Does that view match the Padres' view ... if so, Pauley and Marsee (both needed LHH) may be truly in the mix for 2024 resulting in a low key search for FA OF and if they do add a FA ... likely a 1 year deal.
Saw a new 2024 Top 10 prospect list (Dynasty Dugout) ... the expected #1-4: Merrill; Salas; Snelling; and Lesko ... this was prior to the Soto trade.
What was interesting was Iriate was #6 and Pauley was #7. Also, Mazur was 8th and Marsee was 10th.
Given that Shildt did include Iriate as in the mix for a SP in 2024 ... coupled with upside reports from 2023 suggesting he may push the MLB Top 100 ... maybe I need to alter my thinking a bit. Clearly has "stuff" but just barely into AA and still has control issues. Also billed as a closer for the future. Based on nothing ... see the next Lamet right now. With the value of pitching ... if the Padres have a comfort level with the other pitching prospects could Iriate be an effective trade chip?
Pauley to me was the most interesting ... a big leap to #6 (ahead of the more hyped Marsee) ... with a lot of love for his hitting upside ... see him as a potential LF option (was worked there in AZ Fall). Does that view match the Padres' view ... if so, Pauley and Marsee (both needed LHH) may be truly in the mix for 2024 resulting in a low key search for FA OF and if they do add a FA ... likely a 1 year deal.




