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Quote from MrPadre19 on September 18, 2020, 1:35 pm

Will be a tough call on whether we want to pay what it will take to keep Profar as a super utility.

Will possibly depend on the DH.

With the DH (or with an injury like this year) he becomes an every day player.

When/how will MLB decide on the DH?

If the new CBA isn't until after next season...how would they decide on it this off season?

"If" everything is back to normal Covid wise....what would cause them to consider the Universal DH and how/who would they decide?

 

 

 

I don't know all the logistics, but I think the basic premise is that: 1) it's inevitable, and 2) it wouldn't make sense to "revert" to the old P hit in NL rules for 1 season when DH in both leagues "sandwiches" it both before & after.

Both sides would have to agree to amend existing CBA rules I guess, but don't see why anyone would be against it at this point.

Do we really want to see Zach Davies in the 9 hole instead of Profar?

Your "timing" point is a good one.  Assume Padres decision Y/N on "DH" Moreland's club option has to happen pretty fast after World Series?   Other teams with similar decisions obviously would want to know before that date.

 

 

Quote from LynchMob on October 2, 2020, 8:14 am

A part of me is hoping we see more of Profar in LF and Pham at DH ... yikes!

Yeah, that was rough...  not "routine" exactly, but 100% should have caught it.  Just didn't squeeze it.  Thought maybe he was thinking about the throw in (like a WR who turns his head upfield too soon), but it was the 1st batter of the inning... no one on.

Catch-22.  But think they run with the exact same lineup again.  Can't take Pham or Moreland's bat out all game.  PH/sub in Profar again for Moreland on the 3rd AB / then into LF later in the game.

Is there a reason why a position player (Pham starting in LF), CAN'T move to DH in-game?  Why does that rule exist?  Hate losing his bat.  "OK" to have the P in the lineup there just get PH for, but could become an issue in an extra inning game.

Think the issue with moving someone in the game at a field position to DH is the part of the DH rule that the DH is locked into a spot in the batting order and that field player already has a different spot in the order.

 

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Pham is one of 4 bounce-back candidates discussed in an article at The Athletic ...

https://theathletic.com/2269574/2020/12/23/bounce-back-hitters-2021-mlb/

Tommy Pham, San Diego Padres

Ask the wrong person, and you’ll get all the wrong answers about Tommy Pham: The boisterous personality is too much, he’s a drag on teams, he’ll be a problem in the media, his eyes are going.

Ask teammates, and the story is totally different. A champion of modern data and tech, he’s willing to talk about the art and science of hitting with anyone, and that same boisterous personality is actually a boon — he can make new teammates, even ones without a long track record of success, feel at home in these conversations about the sport. He just wants to get better. Maybe he put himself in the wrong place at the wrong time this offseason, and surely he’ll speak his mind, but that seems hardly enough to put Pham in a bad box.

The story of 2020 for Pham otherwise mirrors that of Meadows’, with a positive COVID-19 test, a return, and then a return from a broken hamate bone hindering his performance. Pham had some trouble lifting the ball last season, so his Barrel rate wasn’t good, and that probably has something to do with the pain in his hand and perhaps the interruptions to his training schedule, even if past research hasn’t made much of a link between hamate injuries and power reduction. In the end, Pham’s max exit velocity was fine, his average exit velocity was fine — he can still hit the ball hard.

Long term, the worry about Pham has been about his eyes. He has keratoconus, a rare eye disorder that causes degenerative vision problems, but he’s undergone corrective surgery and has been wearing corrective lenses to deal with the problem, which he shares with the NBA’s Steph Curry.

Two things: When we talk about his eyes, we’re talking about this year, not 10 years down the line. And Pham still has one of the best eyes at the plate in baseball. Over the last five seasons, only nine players have had a better reach rate, and last season, only 15 did. A full offseason to get healthy from his surgeries, league-leading type plate discipline and the ability to hit the ball hard should all combine to make this projection a reality in 2021. And when he says something about it, it’ll probably be funny, and he’ll be in the right to feel himself, because he’s a very good baseball player.

https://www.mlb.com/padres/news/tommy-pham-gets-stronger-regains-power

Getting his power back has been a grind for Pham. Last October, he was hospitalized and required surgery after he was stabbed outside of a club in San Diego. And he also underwent surgery for to address a triangular fibrocartilage complex in his left wrist.

The delays held him back from building up his power, and Pham was deadlifting 325 pounds at the start of Opening Day, well below the 500-plus pounds he said he deadlifts normally.

Now in the groove of things, Pham said he has deadlifted 420 pounds in the past week.

“It's a long season, and this is a game built for strong individuals,” Pham said. “If you're weak-minded or are just weak, this game will take advantage of [that]. You have to be strong. Survival of the fittest.”

Pham:

2020: EV 92.8 HardHit 50% Barrel 7% HR/FB 15% LA 2.4 Pull 49% Cent 33% Oppo 18%
2021: EV 90.8 HardHit 37% Barrel 10% HR/FB 14% LA 7.6 Pull 35% Cent 38% Oppo 27%

Profar:

2020: EV 87.2 HardHit 28% Barrel 3% HR/FB 15% LA 11.0 Pull 36% Cent 28% Oppo 36%
2021: EV 85.3 HardHit 23% Barrel 3% HR/FB 4% LA 14.0 Pull 41% Cent 31% Oppo 29%

Pham signs with Reds ...

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/mlb/reds/2022/03/23/tommy-pham-free-agency-outfielder-signs-reds/7148840001/

Since it appears that Profar will be the starting LF, I am trying to convince myself that he will be a positive contributor in 2022.

1. keeping Profar on one position (LF) may help his overall performance … and based on his career … LF is by far his best defensive position (the only one where he possesses a positive DRS).

2. If we look past last seasons offense and expand to his performance over the past four seasons … he should be an “average” hitter in the 95-100 wRC+ range. Now that does not sound great but when looking at last seasons MLB LF … he would be “middle of the pack” of qualified LF.

3. In recent years, Profar has stayed healthy and should go to post as often as the Padres need him … and that helps stabilize the line-up and considering the alternatives are “questionable” that is valuable.

So, Profar may be an “average” LF (maybe ranked about #15 for qualified) … that may work. I did watch MLB Network’s “Top 10 LF” and it was filled with players that just are always injured … it was actually a pretty depressing list if you value actual playing time.

Profar may not carry the Padres to the playoffs … but he is not likely to cost them the playoffs.

Pham got his first hit of the season for Reds last night ...

Over last 14 days ... Profar's slash stats in 45 ABs are .089/.226/.222 ... ug ...

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