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Padres here Jayce Tingler

thoughts?

Makes total sense from AJP perspective... He either is a genius and gets multiple WS rings..or an idiot and gets caned along with AJP.. It be like me trusting someone I know to have my back or someone that my boss wanted to watch my back.. ..

Can't really hate this pick.. Speaks fluent... Has won at every level he has managed..DR low A ball but still a ship ... Has extreme knowledge of analytics and is a teacher 1st and foremost.. One negative obviously is the lack of MLB experience...  As long as he is the next Dave Martinez or Alex Cora or AJ Hinsh .. I am ok with giving him the wheel

I am nervous to say the least.   This could end up being a home run, or it could be a complete disaster leading to a divided clubhouse with he & Preller getting fired after 1 year.

I have been a big advocate of Preller's, and would still to this day grade him pretty highly for his talent acquisition/system building overall.  I am much less "sold" on his/the Pads development process (think guys zooming up levels at young ages) when the same problems (high K, low BB, low OBP) just never seem to change at MLB level.

However, I can't think of another way to say this, so I'll just come out with it:  Preller is a gifted, obsessed, workaholic GM who is somewhere "on the spectrum".  I mean this more as a compliment:  it is part of his gift to see opportunities where others might not (3-4 Rule 5 picks, "all in" Intl signings 2016 , etc)...  BUT IMO it gives him some really major blind spots; typically revolving around communication:

  • The 1st year whirlwind including trading for Kimbrel < a day before the season started (expecting a bunch of guys new to org esp with new Manager to just instantly "gel").
  • The Colin Rea & Drew Pomeranz undisclosed medical issues trades... supposedly didn't "communicate" /implement policy about this
  • Past violation for impropriety in Intl Market
  • SOME of the "communication breakdown" with Andy Green HAS to fall on Preller

So while Preller is obviously aware that the elephant in the room is that he just went from an inexperienced--lacking stature in the players' eyes--Manager to another guy who has the same issues (even more so as a guy who never got close to MLB as a player), I literally don't think he "GETS" how important that is TO the players.

Hopefully the vet players reserve judgement, and not saying they should decide things, but hard to see how Machado or Hosmer are excited about this; or maybe more importantly current veteran MLB FA's and even someone like Yates...  choice between last place Pads with 'quirky' GM & rookie Manager already under the gun with 78 yr old hothead owner... or established winning team with winning tradition & experienced Manager & deeper $$ pockets.... hmmm.

 

PRO:

  • Strong resume/variety of experience at different levels of organization & front office; "deep" perspective of how an org runs
  • Bi-lingual with strong first hand experience in Dominican Summer & Winter Leagues
  • Knows probably better than anyone what he's getting into with Preller
  • Youth / Proponent of Analytics

CON:

  • Probably lacks immediate respect/authority from Veteran MLB players; might affect Free Agency & current clubhouse
  • Will be perceived as an extension of the front office/not his own man; resume really better fit for a hire as an Asst/GM
  • Never played in MLB & limited Coaching experience at that level
  • Youth / Proponent of Analytics

The big difference between Cora, Hinch, Martinez to Tingler is EXPERIENCE! All 3 of the those guys played in the bigs. With athletes especially professional athletes they don’t want to listen to a guy that hasn’t at least made it to their level. That is my main concern with Tingler. I think this hire actually puts more pressure on winning in 2020. Tingler will need results early to get guys to buy in. If the Padres get off to a slow start, will vets trust this young manager with no real track record at their level to get them out of a hole? If you lose the vets, it will hurt your development of the young guys and the clubhouse will be lost. I didn’t know a thing about Jayce a month or so ago and what I’ve read I’ve liked. I hope this works out, but man with AJPs history on managerial picks, this makes me nervous. Enough with my concerns, I’m hopping aboard the Tingler train. Now go get him an ace, a couple bats and let’s get some winning baseball in San Diego!!!

Just a different version of Andy Green and we all know how that ended

Just another front office computer driven yes man....I was hoping for somebody that actually played something besides video game baseball and algorithms

For the record, I think it's incredibly unfair (and stupid) to jump to conclusions about a candidate simply because he hasn't managed before. A) Everyone has a first gig, and B) just because some managers have failed in their first job doesn't mean this one will. Put another way, it is idiotic logic that this first time manager hired by Preller is going to fail simply because the last first time manager Preller hired failed.

THAT SAID.... while some of us are being ridiculous and coming to silly conclusions, I may as well join in by saying that I really don't like that our next manager is another short guy. 5'8 is legitimately tiny. Whether we like it or not, physical presence absolutely is a thing when it comes to leaders in the locker room and I truly believe it played a part in Andy Green's uninspiring relationship with his players. That isn't to say small players and coaches can't be respected, but it's definitely something to overcome.  For some perspective:

Of 25 current/recently hired managers, there are only 7 below 6'0 and only two below 5'10. At 5'8, Jayce Tingler is one of them (and the tiniest). Andy Green, at 5'9, would have been another. Here is the list of current MLB managers in order of height:

  • Rocco Baldelli: 6'4
  • Bob Melvin: 6'4
  • Brandon Hyde: 6'3
  • Aaron Boone: 6'2
  • Scott Servais: 6'2
  • Bud Black: 6'2
  • David Ross: 6'2
  • Ron Gardenhire: 6'1
  • AJ Hinch: 6'1
  • Terry Francona: 6'1
  • Torey Lovullo: 6'1
  • Brian Snitker: 6'1
  • Don Mattingly: 6'0
  • Kevin Cash: 6'0
  • Chris Woodward: 6'0
  • Craig Counsell: 6'0
  • Alex Cora: 6'0
  • Mike Shildt: Unlisted (Appears to be 5'11-6'0)
  • Joe Maddon: 5'11
  • Joe Girardi: 5'11
  • Dave Martinez: 5'10
  • Charlie Montoyo: 5'10
  • Dave Roberts: 5'10
  • David Bell: 5'10
  • Rick Renteria: 5'9
  • Jayce Tingler: 5'8

If I am Tingler I invite Manny (or fly Manny and Hosmer out) go to a fun resort in Florida/Cali/Arizona for a weekend of golf massage and "getting to know" them... Just the 3 of them... Shoot the breeze and embrace the fact that look I am the Manager but I need you Manny to be the quiet fun guy that cuddles Tatis Jr and them.. And you Eric I need you to be my extension /Chemistry glue guy between me and the players. Lets pull one way and make it happene

Quote from sportwarrior on October 24, 2019, 10:51 am

For the record, I think it's incredibly unfair (and stupid) to jump to conclusions about a candidate simply because he hasn't managed before. A) Everyone has a first gig, and B) just because some managers have failed in their first job doesn't mean this one will. Put another way, it is idiotic logic that this first time manager hired by Preller is going to fail simply because the last first time manager Preller hired failed.

THAT SAID.... while some of us are being ridiculous and coming to silly conclusions, I may as well join in by saying that I really don't like that our next manager is another short guy. 5'8 is legitimately tiny. Whether we like it or not, physical presence absolutely is a thing when it comes to leaders in the locker room and I truly believe it played a part in Andy Green's uninspiring relationship with his players. That isn't to say small players and coaches can't be respected, but it's definitely something to overcome.  For some perspective:

Of 25 current/recently hired managers, there are only 7 below 6'0 and only two below 5'10. At 5'8, Jayce Tingler is one of them (and the tiniest). Andy Green, at 5'9, would have been another. Here is the list of current MLB managers in order of height:

  • Rocco Baldelli: 6'4
  • Bob Melvin: 6'4
  • Brandon Hyde: 6'3
  • Aaron Boone: 6'2
  • Scott Servais: 6'2
  • Bud Black: 6'2
  • David Ross: 6'2
  • Ron Gardenhire: 6'1
  • AJ Hinch: 6'1
  • Terry Francona: 6'1
  • Torey Lovullo: 6'1
  • Brian Snitker: 6'1
  • Don Mattingly: 6'0
  • Kevin Cash: 6'0
  • Chris Woodward: 6'0
  • Craig Counsell: 6'0
  • Alex Cora: 6'0
  • Mike Shildt: Unlisted (Appears to be 5'11-6'0)
  • Joe Maddon: 5'11
  • Joe Girardi: 5'11
  • Dave Martinez: 5'10
  • Charlie Montoyo: 5'10
  • Dave Roberts: 5'10
  • David Bell: 5'10
  • Rick Renteria: 5'9
  • Jayce Tingler: 5'8

Rudy...Rudy...Rudy...R..u...d..y...

 

And this is coming from a USC alumni 😆

Definitely a little surprised, but will reserve judgment until I see him in action...

 

He is having good results managing Naylor and the Leones del Escogido to a 9-1 record in the Dominican Winter League (small sample size obviously)

https://www.scoreboard.com/baseball/dominican-republic/lidom/standings/