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#621 · January 12, 2019, 7:34 pm
How about this in an effort to get a young 3B. I wonder if we were to take most of the salary of Heyward and Bote from CHC for really a no name prospect from SD. This would aid the Cubs in the chance to get Harper and SD gets a young 3B under control through 2025, leave us an OF of Renfroe, Margot, Jank, Cordero, and Heyward. And we hope that Heyward just hated playing in CHC uniform and rebounds to his ATL or STL days.
#622 · January 12, 2019, 7:48 pm
Quote from Booster SD on January 12, 2019, 7:25 pmIf SD is to get CLE to take Myers, Reyes,Morejon, and Lawson for Kluber, I think they can absolutely afford to include L or L if needs be to finish the trade. If we are to clear the salary of Myers, then we can easily afford to sign Keuchel and then we have Kluber, Kuechel, and the other L pitcher plus the kids and Strahm, Mitchell, from last year for 2019. This year is a wash anyway. Then 2020 we are ready to rock with a rotation of Kluber, Keuchel, and Richards plus the best of the remaining kids that came up and are ready for 2020.
We don’t clear Myers salary if we take on Klubers salary in return.
Especially this year....Myers=$3 mil
Kluber=$17 mil?
#623 · January 12, 2019, 8:18 pm
Quote from David Nevin on January 12, 2019, 7:48 pmQuote from Booster SD on January 12, 2019, 7:25 pmIf SD is to get CLE to take Myers, Reyes,Morejon, and Lawson for Kluber, I think they can absolutely afford to include L or L if needs be to finish the trade. If we are to clear the salary of Myers, then we can easily afford to sign Keuchel and then we have Kluber, Kuechel, and the other L pitcher plus the kids and Strahm, Mitchell, from last year for 2019. This year is a wash anyway. Then 2020 we are ready to rock with a rotation of Kluber, Keuchel, and Richards plus the best of the remaining kids that came up and are ready for 2020.
We don’t clear Myers salary if we take on Klubers salary in return.
Especially this year....Myers=$3 mil
Kluber=$17 mil?
Agreed. Use it in a better, more needed way I should say. Overall it does save SD over $21M over the next 3 years and we can use those dollars towards Kuechel, it what I should have said.
#624 · January 12, 2019, 9:30 pm
AJ Preller has flipped the script when it comes to dealing...he is looking at projected value of his young talent and all of the things that go with.....team control for a long time, progress, how they fit in to the big picture when the Padres are in contention and how it's never a rebuild again...just a reload.
The days of long contracts based on what was done in previous years are for the most part history as they are expensive diminishing returns contracts.....Kluber is on the downside on his career while Morejon is right at the beginning....Cleveland knows it, AJ Preller knows it and Cleveland isn't going to get any of this 4 or 5 players / prospects for Kluber......Preller has as high a value on his guys as the teams trying to unload contracts of the aformentioned "diminishing returns" have.
The Pads are not going to win the west this year so why not have the young guys get some time in....Starts / AB's and build value that has teams falling over themselves to get....it's called leverage and right now I see AJ with more than the other teams. The best trade made a lot of times is the one you don't make....is giving up all those guys for Kluber going to make the Padres contenders in the NL West.....NO
#625 · January 13, 2019, 3:19 am
Oh I think Kubler ..couple with a Stroman and JT R deal + a 3B upgrade puts us right into contention....and then 2020 adds Richards to the mix and now we are talking big time contention Go Pads
#626 · January 13, 2019, 6:24 am
and Babe Ruth and Willie Mays and Johnny Bench and Bob Gibson 🙂
#627 · January 13, 2019, 7:40 am
For the record I am not in favor of trading for Kluber and his $52.5MM/3 year contract at what I expect the Cleveland's bottom line will be. He will not make the current roster into a contender by himself but he will consume $17MM+ of payroll space that could be used on other pitching options (without giving up assets) or a 3B.
Consider the returning SP options:
Player - age - team control - full season ERA/Starts - 2nd Half ERA/Starts
Lucchesi (25) - 5 years - 4.08 ERA (26) - 4.88 ERA (12) .... worried about 2nd half fade?
Lauer (23) - 6 years - 4.34 ERA (23) - 3.15 ERA (7) ... encouraged by the 2nd half improvement?
Mitchell (27) - 3 years - 4.61 ERA (11) - 2.19 ERA (4) ... a guy most just wanted to release last season
Erlin (28) - 2 years - 6.23 ERA (12) - 5.11 ERA (10) ... terrible as a SP / good as a RP
Kennedy (24) - 6 years - 6.75 ERA (6) - 6.75 ERA (6) ... never even considered a top prospect
Nix (23) - 6 years - 7.02 ERA (9) - 7.02 ERA (9) .... not a compelling initial showing
Perdomo (25) - 4 years - 7.38 (10) - 6.94 ERA (3) ... he is what he is
This is a group of SP options that give little confidence of being better than last season (when they were one of the worst SP staffs in MLB). Even adding a Kluber or Keuchel or Gray and they collectively will be bad (just more expensive).
Bit worried about the 2nd half fade of Lucchesi ... just tired or did the league adjust to his stuff?
I probably would wait one year before going for short term / big money adds (SP or 3B) at the expense of plus prospects .... the options may be different but not necessarily worse. Actually, Kluber has a good chance of returning to the market but at a lower cost with only 2 years control. Really need some better read on the Padres prospects in the ML environment before concluding 2020-21 will be competitive.
#628 · January 13, 2019, 9:46 am
Thank you Fenn.....I've been saying that all along
Let these young guys have a rip at it and develop this staff and then when the Padres are on the cusp....then get the lead dog aka Kevin Brown
#629 · January 13, 2019, 10:03 am
Quote from LynchMob on January 11, 2019, 7:41 pmQuote from 3fingersplit on January 11, 2019, 9:41 amHere you go....classic bat flip from Tatis.....hope to see him do this soon in San Diego
https://www.mlb.com/cut4/fernando-tatis-jr-hit-a-walk-off-homer-and-flipped-his-bat/c-302604796
This is from a game that's part of the Domincan Winter League playoffs (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/winterleagues/league.jsp?league=car) ... that explains how/why everyone seem pretty jacked about the jack! Next game is Saturday ... and they run thru the Carribean Series Feb 2-8. Beisbol!!!
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l131&cid=669 ... shows FTJ with slash of .263/.379/.488 ... tasty!
FTJ went 1-for-4 in Saturday's game for Estrellas Orientales ...
http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2019_01_12_escwin_estwin_1&t=g_box&sid=l131
Hey, Jumbo Diaz is closer for Estraellas ... he's got a big fastball!
Estrellas now a game up in the DWL Round Robin Playoffs ...
| Team | W | L | Pct. | GB |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Estrellas | 10 | 6 | .625 | - |
| Toros | 9 | 7 | .563 | 1.0 |
| Escogido | 8 | 8 | .500 | 2.0 |
| Aguilas | 0 | 0 | - | 2.0 |
| Gigantes | 0 | 0 | - | 2.0 |
| Licey | 5 | 11 | .313 | 5.0 |
... and they play Licey today ... http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/winterleagues/schedule/?sid=l131
#630 · January 13, 2019, 10:22 am
https://www.mlb.com/cut4/awesome-bat-flips-everywhere-in-caribbean-leagues/c-302607838
There are four significant Caribbean winter leagues that run throughout the MLB offseason: the Dominican Winter League (commonly referred to by its acronym in Spanish, LIDOM) where Tatis is playing, the Venezuelan Professional Baseball League where Astudillo brought home MVP honors this season, the Liga de Béisbol Profesional Roberto Clemente in Puerto Rico and the Mexican Pacific League.
The winning team from each of these leagues, in addition to the champion of the Cuban Winter League, then play one another in a five-team tournament in February called the Caribbean Series -- which features some of the most energetic baseball you'll ever watch.