Quote from 3fingersplit on December 21, 2018, 5:37 pm

So one way to remedy that "awful track record" would be to hang onto some of these young position players and get them up to the Padres

Urias, Tatis, Potts, Allen, Edwards, Mejia,Reed, Naylor, Ruiz etc

Then add the following.....next Glavine, Avery, Smoltz and  Maddux...... Maybe 🙂

LHP - Luchessi,  Lauer, Gore,  Morejon, Allen, Weathers etc

RHP - Paddack, Baez,  Patino, Quantrill, Espinoza,Nix,Lawson,Avila,  Lamet etc

What are the chances we have that type of future rotation with all these young guys ?

It is the Christmas season so here is my Christmas wish....out of all the pitchers listed my wish is that the Padres develop the next Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux, Avery rotation and get into position to challenge for not just the NL West but the NL flag year in and year out.

Homegrown players and add the one piece maybe needed like the Braves did with Maddux or the Padres did with Kevin Brown. One can only hope and that is why I am so opposed to "throwing in" players in silly 4 or 5 for 1 deals at this time because 1 player doesn't win the NL West or Wild Card for that matter with this team as it stands now.

1 player or even 2 players for a silly 8-10 players won't put the Padres there and by the time the young guns get here those 4 or 5 for 1 players are older and production is dropping and salary goes up.

Quote from fenn68 on December 22, 2018, 10:08 am

Quote from David Nevin on December 21, 2018, 10:43 am

"interested in real top end SP"

Sure....but we've also been linked to others like Sonny Gray and Mike Leake.

I'm sure Preller is out kicking every tire but Richards wasn't "just" released to give more innings to younger guys.....his 5+

ERA had a little to do with it.

 

Actually Preller is has been "interested" in about everyone via trade or FA. Not sure what that really implies and his level of "interest". I am guessing in the fine print is that "interested" if he can get player X at a very favorable cost ... a team that lost 96 games just gobbles up bargains (if they can be found) and deals with the excess later.

I do think there is a secondary value to Preller in being "interested" in a player via trade. Opens a dialogue with other GMs where Preller can get a better read on what other GM think of the Padres' trade assets while at the same time getting a feel what what other assets are in play from the other team. Sort of "interest' in Kluber / Syndergaard / Senzel / etc. gets dialogue going where the other GM asks for Tatis / Gore in the deal ... get a hard no then discussions on other options ensue. Do that enough and Preller gets a real "trade value" sense of his assets.

Sort of the same on FA, wants to get a bargain of course, but getting the sense from agents of the FA market positions in turn help Preller value his trade chip. For example, if he were discussion RP and got a good sense of where the price sits for the FA ... he can adjust his "trade value" for a Yates or Stammen.

So, just maybe if a great deal is not out there, Preller is just using the "interest" as a tool for intelligence gathering.

 

Quote from Booster SD on December 22, 2018, 10:11 am

Quote from TarheelPadre on December 21, 2018, 4:46 pm

Looks like Andujar is available for trade.  A third baseman with a big bat.  Makes sense to inquire.

It must be nice to pump out star after star like the Yankees do every year.  Meanwhile, the Padres can’t even develop a player to hit his weight.

Based on all the posts in this thread, everyone seems to think Tatis is a sure thing.  The Padres have an awful track record when it comes to developing position players.  I hope you guys are right.

Unfortunately his glove is really bad at 3B. Could make the argument that you can live with the bad defense for the bat; however, if thats the case we already have that player in SD in Myers if he can stay healthy and not have to ship out 3-5 prospects to get Andujar.

Quote from fenn68 on December 22, 2018, 10:48 am

I do expect Preller to do some dealing before the season starts ... no real idea his direction. However, some random thoughts as he makes deals:

1. 2019 is not likely a playoff season ... so maybe the focus needs to be for the 2020-2021 period

2. The team is going to be young and inexperienced for the most part ... probably leading to a lot of movement between the ML club and AAA as each player ebbs and flows maybe requiring more AAA time and for the pitchers some innings control.

As of now, the Padres have really only 2 "marginal" players without minor league options in Mitchell (SP) and Garcia (INF). The others really are not candidates to get sent down. Given the INF situation, don't think Garcia will be a roadblock.

Mitchell may be the first issue. IF he shows good enough to make it out of ST and worthy of maybe 5 starts (into May) the secondary benefit even if he total tanks and ends up DFA ... he would have delayed the arrival of one of the SP prospect for that one critical month allowing the Padres to gain an extra year of control be it Paddack or L.Allen or Quantrill. A reason to give him the benefit of the doubt to start the season.

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Also (maybe more a trade deadline issue but) moving players that are not going to be around in the 2020-2022 stretch maybe is wise strategically (if the return is worth it). Clearly Stammen is the only FA after 2019 now that Richard is gone. However, might want to consider moving the 2 year control options sooner than later: Yates and Erlin. Note that it has been rare that the roster includes only 3 players (excluding G.Richards) that have less than 3 years control ... a lot of flexibility for Preller.

Quote from fenn68 on December 22, 2018, 11:01 am

Quote from Booster SD on December 22, 2018, 10:11 am

Quote from TarheelPadre on December 21, 2018, 4:46 pm

Looks like Andujar is available for trade.  A third baseman with a big bat.  Makes sense to inquire.

It must be nice to pump out star after star like the Yankees do every year.  Meanwhile, the Padres can’t even develop a player to hit his weight.

Based on all the posts in this thread, everyone seems to think Tatis is a sure thing.  The Padres have an awful track record when it comes to developing position players.  I hope you guys are right.

Unfortunately his glove is really bad at 3B. Could make the argument that you can live with the bad defense for the bat; however, if thats the case we already have that player in SD in Myers if he can stay healthy and not have to ship out 3-5 prospects to get Andujar.

From the comments out of NY ... they would only consider "high end" talent in return (preferably ML talent).

Not all that sure Andujar is really available NOW given Gregorius is out for most (if not all) the season and is a FA after 2019 ... who would man their INF after Torres at SS? Once they sign Machado ... maybe ... but they still would need a 3B replacement ... a lot of dominoes would have to fall before he is moved.

More likely they would centerpiece Andjuar in a deal to someone like Cleveland for a Kluber type where the receiving team can move him to 1B/DH (so AL partner is best guess) .... he is truly a bad defensive 3B (worst in MLB by a far piece as I recall). Best to look at AL teams with a top flight pitcher or SS who may be available and a need (future need) for an impact bat at 1B/DH. Duffy (KC)?

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 22, 2018, 2:05 pm

Would really like for something to happen.

A little Christmas present for Padre fans.

A starter or a 3B would be nice.....

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 22, 2018, 2:11 pm

Literally 2 minutes after I posted this I got a notification that the Padres are in serious talks for Marcus Stroman.

If Baez or Allen are involved I sure hope last season was an anomaly for Stroman.

 

Quote from fenn68 on December 22, 2018, 2:49 pm

Quote from David Nevin on December 22, 2018, 2:11 pm

Literally 2 minutes after I posted this I got a notification that the Padres are in serious talks for Marcus Stroman.

If Baez or Allen are involved I sure hope last season was an anomaly for Stroman.

 

Saw that .... Stroman's 2018 has to make this a difficult negotiation with Toronto pitching his 2017 (which was outstanding) and saying he is fully healthy after a poor and shortened 2018. Preller focusing on the injury risk continuing plus only 2 control years with 2019 coming in around $9MM.

Might be one of those deals (if it happens) that scatters more players going both ways to balance the cost and risks.

2 years of the good Stroman is worth a lot (even if those two years cost about $20-25MM) besides the on field results a QO level player or trade chip in 2020. Only 28.

AL team ... with DH and Smoak / Morales / Martin  FA after 2019 ... maybe Preller can insert Naylor and Quantrill into the negotiations (Lessing other pieces) since they are both Canadian with some quality filling projected needs at 1B/DH and SP.

Would think TOR wants upside pitching first but negotiation is negotiation ... they do have some very elite prospects on the verge of ML at SS / 3B / OF so offense may not be high on their list. On the other hand, Toronto is a hitter's delight ... might add more offense via FA but maybe teasing them with Renfroe or Myers in the package would work ... either would become 40 HR hitters ASAP. Also, Toronto is not short of money and after the FA leave after 2019 (plus the savings from Stroman) they will be flush in money.

Risk .... risk .... risk. $20+MM for pitcher coming off a poor / injury filled 2018 with only 2 control years is worth?? Clearly Padres OK with that line (see G. Richards) but for Stroman they have to additionally give up prospects.

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 22, 2018, 3:08 pm

I just realized that despite the fact I really want something to happen the idea of losing prospects isn’t too exciting.

When I saw the negotiations for Stroman involved Baez and Allen it knocked my excitement level down.But you gotta trade somebody.

It just reminded me how much I “don’t” want to lose these prospects we’ve been so excited about.