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#411 · December 15, 2018, 6:46 am
I know we have been talking trade under the assumption that there is a 2019 "excess" behind the plate with Hedges and Mejia but after listening to Green last week not sure the Padres see it that way.
First, he really loves Hedges defense and is encouraged by Hedges second half offensively (which could be interpreted as not sure about his offense going forward).
Second, and more of a level set, is his view of Mejia. The two major pluses: a throwing arm better than Hedges (maybe a 70-80) and elite swing which can potentially develop into plus offense. However, he made two points the indicated he may not be ready for a starting role in 2019: he has poor plate discipline and swings at bad pitches (sort of Renfroe when he first arrived) and needs to work on that and ... and this may be the major point he is not a good defensive catcher (yet). He basically indicated Mejia's defense short comings are based on Cleveland's not focusing him on catching (tried him at 3B and LF) but Green sees him developing defensively and they plan to exclusively use him as a catcher.
Combine those two and moving either is less likely (at least for anything substantial) and there may be a chance Mejia get AAA time to develop. However, working at the ML level with Hedges and Barajas as the bench coach could accelerate his defensive skills .... he should get around 50 starts at a minimum.
Maybe "develop" both (and Allen in AAA) then focus on dealing one next winter ... all will still have a lot of control and will be low cost. Always a demand for good (or even bad) catchers. Best chance to keep the best for the future in SD.
#412 · December 15, 2018, 7:49 am
I think the focus for the Padres needs to be 3B where there is no ML talent now or expected in the next 3 years (and only then IF Potts develops). I doubt the Padres will be in the mix for Arenado or Rendon next winter (mega deals).
Maybe this is where they deploy money / prospects to secure stability at 3B before they add top of the rotation SP. Padres were (and have been for some time) near the bottom offensively so a 3B than can hit might be useful. Not sure much more on the FA market than Moose but depending on the deal not a bad alternative ($8MM/yr ... 2 years w/club option?). Trade market is all over the place with options I don't like but some that work in filling the need.
Padres "reportedly" like Franco (I don't) but if PHIL signs Machado he would be had cheaply but that may take too long to settle Machado. Now with Diaz, TB may make Duffy expendable (2 years and low cost) to add a 1B/DH RHH bat with power. Given it is TB not Myers but Reyes or Renfroe? If they just are willing to take on money ... pretty sure Seager is available from Seattle for very little in prospects if SD takes most of the contract (4 years control of a LHH power hitter and plus plus defense). Can he rebound from an off 2018? Given up on a deal with CINN for either Suarez or Senzel ... CINN seems locked on holding on to both. After those??????
Padres bad offense and no 3B ... fixing that has to be priority #1 (and hope Tatis - Mejia - Urias - Reyes) develop enough offense from the other spots). Fix the pitching and not the offense and you have the Mets ... still a losing team.
#413 · December 15, 2018, 8:10 am
This morning's report is that the Padres are one of six teams "interested" in Tulo. His agent has now suggested he will be willing to move off SS. Given the Padres need for a 3B or SS to start 2019 and their moves (Richards and Kinsler) ... might be worth the gamble if he looked good in his Long Beach workouts going on.
A league minimum deal (Toronto is paying the existing contract) is a not risk to the buyer ... so it may boil down to which team is best for Tulo. Hard to say since money is not a real factor for the next two years. Playing time? Location (he is So.Cal - Long Beach)? Playing for a contender?
With money off the table and having not really played much in two years plus in his mid-30s creating a real risk that he might not make the roster ... I might opt for a team with a real need for a SS/3B and in So.Cal. Best chance to make the roster and play while being in So.Cal.
To start 2019 .... Hosmer - Urias - Tulo - Kinsler? or some variation. Would be an interesting bridge to Tatis and very low cost allowing more money to be spent on the top of the rotation SP. COULD have Urias / Tatis going forward at 2B/SS and Kinsler / Tulo survivor at 3B with the other in reserve. $500K in each of the next two years for Tulo is a cheap gamble given the need in SD ... IF they see him as reasonably healthy so if at worse case he can play just a limited role.
#414 · December 15, 2018, 11:40 am
I was including Hedges or Mejia in trade scenarios with the Mets because Catcher was an area “they” seemed to be targeting.
I’m perfectly fine with the Hedges/Mejia combo.
Hold onto both until Allen is ready and then decide which two to keep.
But if the Mets want one as part of a Deal for Syndergaard I wouldn’t let it be a stumbling block.
#415 · December 15, 2018, 1:14 pm
I live near Detroit and Kinsler has been my daughter's favorite player for the last 5 years. I texted her that she is getting a Kinsler brown Padres jersey for her birthday. He is slowing down a bit but is thought to be kind of a old school player on the sports radio shows here
#416 · December 15, 2018, 3:15 pm
Quote from fenn68 on December 15, 2018, 8:10 amThis morning's report is that the Padres are one of six teams "interested" in Tulo. His agent has now suggested he will be willing to move off SS. Given the Padres need for a 3B or SS to start 2019 and their moves (Richards and Kinsler) ... might be worth the gamble if he looked good in his Long Beach workouts going on.
A league minimum deal (Toronto is paying the existing contract) is a not risk to the buyer ... so it may boil down to which team is best for Tulo. Hard to say since money is not a real factor for the next two years. Playing time? Location (he is So.Cal - Long Beach)? Playing for a contender?
With money off the table and having not really played much in two years plus in his mid-30s creating a real risk that he might not make the roster ... I might opt for a team with a real need for a SS/3B and in So.Cal. Best chance to make the roster and play while being in So.Cal.
To start 2019 .... Hosmer - Urias - Tulo - Kinsler? or some variation. Would be an interesting bridge to Tatis and very low cost allowing more money to be spent on the top of the rotation SP. COULD have Urias / Tatis going forward at 2B/SS and Kinsler / Tulo survivor at 3B with the other in reserve. $500K in each of the next two years for Tulo is a cheap gamble given the need in SD ... IF they see him as reasonably healthy so if at worse case he can play just a limited role.
Fenn....you are spot on
I think Tulo would be awesome in SD and he would be a huge upgrade from what we have had at 3B especially at a low cost and IF he could stay somewhat healthy
Great glove and can still be dangerous at the plate
That could fill out the infield to a degree without loss of up and coming players on the farm......I like it
#417 · December 15, 2018, 5:48 pm
If not used to nab Thor, and they want to groom Mejia to be a better Catcher, then why not allow that time to be worked on in AAA with Urias and Tatis. Let them build some report with each other and a 1,2,3,4,5 batting order of Cordero, Urias, Mejia, Tatis, Allen could be something brutally awesome to watch in EP.
Go sign Tulo and Moose, and start the season with Moose at 3B, Tulo at SS, and Kinsler at 2B. See what they can do still, and control the kids for an extra year. I dont think that Tulo takes a MiL contract with an invite, and they are going to cut Pirella for Kinsler, who do they cut for Tulo and possibly Kuechel?
#418 · December 15, 2018, 6:47 pm
I don't think Tulo will hold up at SS anymore because he will try to play it like he did 5-7 years ago and he would end up hurt but playing 3B would be a natural move....Moose maybe but it would all depend on how Urias recovers from his Hamstring and having had the same injury playing SS/2B...it takes time and it always feels like it's going to "bite" if you come back to soon. If Urias isn't good to go then maybe Moose and Tulo but more likely somebody already on the 40 man.
Hopefully AJ could move a couple of guys to make room instead of outright DFA
#419 · December 15, 2018, 7:15 pm
Rumor is the Braves are now favorites for Realmuto?
Deal may include wb prospect Riley who I’ve been harping on.
I guess the Braves rent interested in Hedges or Mejia?
I’d love to see a Riley for Mejia deal or even a Hedges for Camargo.
#420 · December 15, 2018, 7:41 pm
Quote from David Nevin on December 15, 2018, 7:15 pmRumor is the Braves are now favorites for Realmuto?
Deal may include wb prospect Riley who I’ve been harping on.
I guess the Braves rent interested in Hedges or Mejia?
I’d love to see a Riley for Mejia deal or even a Hedges for Camargo.
Just a couple of minutes ago.
Latest On Realmuto: Narrowed Market, 3-Team Possibilities With Mets/Padres
DEC. 15: Atlanta hasn’t discussed Realmuto with the Marlins in the past five days, and the Braves don’t plan on picking up talks again, Mark Bowman of MLB.com tweets.
DEC. 13: The Marlins have made some progress in winnowing the field for backstop J.T. Realmuto, per Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald (via Twitter). Still, though, six teams remain involved, per the report: the Reds, Mets, Rays, Braves, Dodgers, and Padres.
Certainly, the Mets have been the most visibly aggressive organization to this stage. The New York club has created quite a few off-the-wall possibilities along the way, some of which involve other teams. That makes it relatively unsurprising to hear that they’ve cycled back to prior talks with the Padres regarding Noah Syndergaard in a possible three-team deal, per SNY.tv’s Andy Martino (Twitter link).