Quote from BoosterSD on December 18, 2023, 11:38 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 18, 2023, 10:54 am

extend Kim and use the remaining to sign Bader or Kiermeier...and Garrett Cooper and let's roll!

Extending Kim went out the door when they signed Bogaerts. At the $15-17M+ per season that many on here are speculating, there is no money to sign Kim. SD does not have that room under the AAV CBT. And as much as many of us like Kim, and he is a fan favorite, he is a RHH SS that we already spent big money on, and we have way too many RHH as it is anyway.

Trade Kim for the best package possible, and hope that Merrill is as good as we are all hoping.

 

Quote from JasonE135 on December 18, 2023, 11:47 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 18, 2023, 10:54 am

My latest thought is Merrill/Iriarte/Mazur  to Mia for Luzardo/Jesus Sanchez.

Sanchez had an .808 OPS against RH pitching last year and could platoon in LF with Azocar and Luzardo is a "solid" #2 SP with 3 years of control.

Adding King and Luzardo solidly bridges the gap to Snelling/Thorpe/Lesko etc and we need a LH hitting OF.

It seems like I'm hot to trade Merrill (I'm not) but I can't help to think his value in a trade for SP or OF far out weighs his value to us moving him to LF or 1B.

Adding these too will cost about $7 mil for '24........ extend Kim and use the remaining to sign Bader or Kiermeier...and Garrett Cooper and let's roll!

 

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Considering all of the moves that Preller has made and not made this off-season, I think it is pretty safe to say that he is building for the future as opposed to the present. If the Padres want to keep Kim after next year they will have to win a bidding war. They won't win that with their new financial situation and they know it. The Padres are preparing for life AFTER Kim. I'm pretty sure that they need Merrill to be part of that plan.

Quote from BoosterSD on December 18, 2023, 12:02 pm

Agree JE135, as much as want the Padres to punch out the lights of the LAD, I think this going to be a growth year. Get something for Kim, a qualifying offer would be a mistake, and most likely a trade will be be someone closer to MLB ready that a draft pick.

Punch and jab for the first part of the season, and see how we look. Then decide whether the kids will be able to help in late 2024, and if not, decide how to proceed after the All Star break/trade deadline. Add or ride out what we have.

Then next season, can approach the Bogaerts move, the Crone situation, and what the kids are going to be able to provide.

The biggest questions that need to answered for me in 2024 is two, can Marsee handle ML centerfield defense (a big question in my mind) and can Pauley develop the LHH power SD desperately needs, solve the 1B issue?

Quote from fenn68 on December 18, 2023, 12:14 pm

It is the run Apr-Jul that will make all the difference. IF Preller spends his remaining wisely … given the core in place (and assuming they rebound) … would not rule out being in the playoff hunt come the trade deadline. Not so much the greatness of the Padres but the issues with the teams that may be lurking around the .500 mark. Once in the playoffs, who knows.

Some luck … some health … and still can be an interesting season while building into 2025.

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 18, 2023, 12:32 pm

Quote from fenn68 on December 18, 2023, 11:33 am

Quote from MrPadre19 on December 18, 2023, 10:54 am

My latest thought is Merrill/Iriarte/Mazur  to Mia for Luzardo/Jesus Sanchez.

Sanchez had an .808 OPS against RH pitching last year and could platoon in LF with Azocar and Luzardo is a "solid" #2 SP with 3 years of control.

Adding King and Luzardo solidly bridges the gap to Snelling/Thorpe/Lesko etc and we need a LH hitting OF.

It seems like I'm hot to trade Merrill (I'm not) but I can't help to think his value in a trade for SP or OF far out weighs his value to us moving him to LF or 1B.

Adding these too will cost about $7 mil for '24........ extend Kim and use the remaining to sign Bader or Kiermeier...and Garrett Cooper and let's roll!

 

 

Can’t see Miami making that deal … remember they made the playoffs with 84 wins … so not sure they would deal two key players for three prospects who may not even impact 2024.

I don't know....I wouldn't be upset if Merrill was our opening day shortstop if we didn't have one.

Heard rumor they were interested in Kim but a 1 year rental makes less sense than a top SS prospect who's ready to go.

 

Quote from JasonE135 on December 18, 2023, 1:22 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on December 18, 2023, 12:02 pm

Agree JE135, as much as want the Padres to punch out the lights of the LAD, I think this going to be a growth year. Get something for Kim, a qualifying offer would be a mistake, and most likely a trade will be be someone closer to MLB ready that a draft pick.

Punch and jab for the first part of the season, and see how we look. Then decide whether the kids will be able to help in late 2024, and if not, decide how to proceed after the All Star break/trade deadline. Add or ride out what we have.

Then next season, can approach the Bogaerts move, the Crone situation, and what the kids are going to be able to provide.

The biggest questions that need to answered for me in 2024 is two, can Marsee handle ML centerfield defense (a big question in my mind) and can Pauley develop the LHH power SD desperately needs, solve the 1B issue?

Personally I think Marsee in CF and Pauley at 1B is kinda a square peg in a round hole at this point. A guy with average speed, arm and defense in CF? A guy with a short stroke and hit-over-power approach at 1B? That sounds like Crone.

I think Marsee is slated for LF and Pauley for middle infield. They could possibly grow into more, but expecting Marsee to handle CF at the MLB level this year and keep hitting is a lot to ask.

Get a free agent CF for this year and possibly next so Marsee can play LF and worry only about his hitting and not his fielding. If they want a true CF(everyone does), they will probably have to wait for Bush or Head. If the Padres want a true power hitting 1B, they are going to have to draft one. They don't have one in the system, at least not a quality prospect.

Quote from Randy Manese on December 18, 2023, 1:32 pm

If Toronto is somewhat interested in Cronenworth, why wouldn't they be very interested in Kim?  Sure, he'll be a FA after this season, but they have enough money to give him a nice extension.   We might have to sweeten the pot by including a lower end pitching prospect like Bergert or Lizarraga, but that might be enough to get us Manoah.  As a fan, it hurts my heart to lose Kim but from a business perspective, don't see giving him a long term contract that approaches 16-18M a year.   Manoah is just inconsistent enough as a pitcher to make the Blue Jays want to pivot away from him and go after someone like Montgomery or one of the Miami SPs.  Manoah's is controllable for 4 more years but needs someone like Niebla to make him better than a #4-5 starter; has flashed that potential of a #2-3 but got to get his mechanics under control.

Why make a trade for a low end starter?  Because he could be more than that, it will free up almost 8M and it will allow Cronenworth to move back to 2b for 2024.  I'm convinced that Merrill will be in the Padres middle infield in the near future and his hitting potential is already better than Kim's and Cronenworth's and maybe, in time, Bogaerts'.  The most recent scouting reports I've read have Merrill's hit tool at 70 out 80 with a potential for 25+ HRs - probably not going to happen in his first year but be excited about this guy in the future - he's almost here.

Quote from BoosterSD on December 18, 2023, 1:39 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on December 18, 2023, 1:22 pm

 

Personally I think Marsee in CF and Pauley at 1B is kinda a square peg in a round hole at this point. A guy with average speed, arm and defense in CF? A guy with a short stroke and hit-over-power approach at 1B? That sounds like Crone.

I think Marsee is slated for LF and Pauley for middle infield. They could possibly grow into more, but expecting Marsee to handle CF at the MLB level this year and keep hitting is a lot to ask.

Get a free agent CF for this year and possibly next so Marsee can play LF and worry only about his hitting and not his fielding. If they want a true CF(everyone does), they will probably have to wait for Bush or Head. If the Padres want a true power hitting 1B, they are going to have to draft one. They don't have one in the system, at least not a quality prospect.

If what you say about Marsee and Pauley are true, then in my mind neither one have a place on SD ML roster, as we already have plenty of these guys.

If Marsee does not have the ability to play CF (my concern as well), he is not a LFer. That is a spot for a power guy, such as Schwarber and Soto types. As much as I am in favor of Profar coming back, he is not a LFer in mind either, and Profars value is his club house presence. I dont like no power, OBP guys in LF.

If Pauley, who came up/drafted as 3B/2B man, can not develop power and then man 1B, then as you stated he is no different than Crone, who is really difficult to trade, and except for being LHH, offers no value over Bogaerts and should be trade fodder as well for something that we need. A power hitting LHH LFer or 1B.

But again, thats why I agree with you and get some temporary pieces, and see how both develop and then address it later this season or next winter.

Quote from BoosterSD on December 18, 2023, 1:40 pm

Quote from Randy Manese on December 18, 2023, 1:32 pm

If Toronto is somewhat interested in Cronenworth, why wouldn't they be very interested in Kim?  Sure, he'll be a FA after this season, but they have enough money to give him a nice extension.   We might have to sweeten the pot by including a lower end pitching prospect like Bergert or Lizarraga, but that might be enough to get us Manoah.  As a fan, it hurts my heart to lose Kim but from a business perspective, don't see giving him a long term contract that approaches 16-18M a year.   Manoah is just inconsistent enough as a pitcher to make the Blue Jays want to pivot away from him and go after someone like Montgomery or one of the Miami SPs.  Manoah's is controllable for 4 more years but needs someone like Niebla to make him better than a #4-5 starter.

From my understanding, they want a LH bat. Hence Crone.