Quote from MrPadre19 on December 19, 2019, 5:12 pm

I’m thinking Bieber is their current #1 and if they believe Patino could be in two years AND they get 2-3 other prospects who could start soon they should at least consider it.

What if AJ offered Patino/Campusano/Naylor/Weathers?

Clev could have a #1 SP...starting C and 1b/DH next season....with Weathers a couple years away.

I doubt they trade Clevinger either.....but they “could” with a heavy package coming back.

 

Quote from JasonE135 on December 19, 2019, 5:23 pm

Teams are no longer making trades where they have to give up top flight prospects. The Indians have said it will take an overpay for Lindor or Clevinger, Boston for Betts and KC for Merrifield. Therefore none of those guys will get traded. LA isn’t going to trade Lux for anyone, yet people keep demanding both him and May, plus more. We have told everyone that we aren’t trading Gore, yet that is the first name every team asks for. I don’t see any major trades happening this offseason. 3 years of Clevinger, while awesome, is not worth the price they are asking.

Quote from TatisJr on December 19, 2019, 5:31 pm

Quote from fenn68 on December 19, 2019, 3:47 pm

I would not hold may breath on CLEV dealing Lindor or Cleavenger ... barring a mega overpay. Keeping both really sets-up their last real chance for the playoffs / World Series for years. By moving Kluber ... no real payroll issue.

Why would a contender trade its #1 SP ... low cost 3 years control .... for a collection of prospects? Why would a non-contender (Padres) trade high ceiling prospects to probably not move them to even a wild card position in 2020 (maybe not 2021) given the holes in this offense.

Indians may sell ... but maybe for Tatis? Maybe for Gore AND Patino. Those others are nice throw-in for a 3rd or 4th piece.

Padres may buy ... but more like Morejon, Baez, Grisham.

Not going to happen.

Padres should keep Gore and Patino (don’t know which one actually develops unless they get lucky with both) ... project a Gore - Patino - Paddack TOR ... use those other prospect to fill offense needs .... 2B - CF - RF.

Agree, Fenn. It would be insane to move either Lindor or Clevinger. Cleveland might as well go for it another year and deal them at the deadline or next offseason if things don’t work out. It would take a god father offer for the Indians to consider it and even then I don’t think it’s a good idea for them.

Quote from BoosterSD on December 20, 2019, 5:22 am

Theres a report on MLBTR that CLE is asking teams for its best and final offers on Lindor, with CIN, SD, and LAD all having reported interest in the SS. I think the best scenario for SD, would be for CLE to trade Lindor to CIN, leaving LAD hanging. Then, CLE would decide to reload a bit more, and trade Clevinger to SD, again leaving LAD hanging. 🙂

 

Quote from fenn68 on December 20, 2019, 5:52 am

Quote from BoosterSD on December 20, 2019, 5:22 am

Theres a report on MLBTR that CLE is asking teams for its best and final offers on Lindor, with CIN, SD, and LAD all having reported interest in the SS. I think the best scenario for SD, would be for CLE to trade Lindor to CIN, leaving LAD hanging. Then, CLE would decide to reload a bit more, and trade Clevinger to SD, again leaving LAD hanging. 🙂

 

Did hear a discussion that CINN might be the most willing to give up elite prospects (and pay the salary) for 2 years of Lindor based on their history of dealing prospects. With MILW, CHC, STL, and PITT all having their own issues ... CINN may be seeing a real window into winning the NL Central. Senzel being a prime trade chip .... big upside and ML ready who would keep the CLEVE offense from dropping too much then add Galvis in the deal for SS, other prospects.

CLEV still can contend in a weak AL Central while saving more money and gaining long control of Senzel.

Actually that is a deal that works for both teams in position to win their divisions in 2020. LAD are going to win the NL West and are still poised to go deep in the playoffs ... so not motivated to overpay with elite prospects. Padres are not positioned yet to overtake the LAD and will struggle to make a wild card ... so not motivated to over pay with low payoff odds in 2020-21.

Quote from fenn68 on December 20, 2019, 6:03 am

Sort of counter thinking ... should we be in support of the LAD dealing their elite prospects for only 2-3 years of benefit of Lindor and Clevenger? Basically drain their future causing them an issue as these players (and others) go FA or just get older? Under the current administration paying mega contracts has not been the norm and they have not been bringing in the “big contracts”.

When the SD prospects hit full stride ... Gore, Patino, Trammell, et al ... LAD becomes a shell of its current self and the Padres takeover the NL West and dominate for years.

Quote from onlypads on December 20, 2019, 6:07 am

Saw the same reports.  I am inclined to believe the Reds grab him.

I just can't move Tatis to CF and bring in Lindor, primarily because of what he has has done for us and his clear and obvious love for SS / game, but if one could stomach it, I think the Padres make the playoffs each of the next two years if the move is made.  Tatis would be a monster CF with his speed, reach, arm, OBP, and power. Then you add in Lindor.  We finally get our dream CF.  Further, I think if we solve C and 2B (Cron / Arias / Abrams / Whitfield?) we are a WS contender. I think the later condition (at least partly) can be solved in-house, just need some development.

Quote from onlypads on December 20, 2019, 6:11 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 20, 2019, 6:03 am

Sort of counter thinking ... should we be in support of the LAD dealing their elite prospects for only 2-3 years of benefit of Lindor and Clevenger? Basically drain their future causing them an issue as these players (and others) go FA or just get older? Under the current administration paying mega contracts has not been the norm and they have not been bringing in the “big contracts”.

When the SD prospects hit full stride ... Gore, Patino, Trammell, et al ... LAD becomes a shell of its current self and the Padres takeover the NL West and dominate for years.

Was wondering the same thing.  Worst case scenario, LAD grabs one of Clev or Lindor on the cheap and retain May, Lux, and Smith somehow.   Best case scenario may be that LAD grabs both and loses three of the following: Lux, May, Verdugo, and Smith.

On the other hand, I guess they could just sign Clev or Lindor to long term deals if they produce, which could cause even greater issues for us in the present and in the future.

Quote from fenn68 on December 20, 2019, 7:22 am

Quote from onlypads on December 20, 2019, 6:11 am

Quote from fenn68 on December 20, 2019, 6:03 am

Sort of counter thinking ... should we be in support of the LAD dealing their elite prospects for only 2-3 years of benefit of Lindor and Clevenger? Basically drain their future causing them an issue as these players (and others) go FA or just get older? Under the current administration paying mega contracts has not been the norm and they have not been bringing in the “big contracts”.

When the SD prospects hit full stride ... Gore, Patino, Trammell, et al ... LAD becomes a shell of its current self and the Padres takeover the NL West and dominate for years.

Was wondering the same thing.  Worst case scenario, LAD grabs one of Clev or Lindor on the cheap and retain May, Lux, and Smith somehow.   Best case scenario may be that LAD grabs both and loses three of the following: Lux, May, Verdugo, and Smith.

On the other hand, I guess they could just sign Clev or Lindor to long term deals if they produce, which could cause even greater issues for us in the present and in the future.

Well they can sign them as FA whether or not they trade for them ... at least trading for them depletes the rest of the line-up.

Hard to see where the LAD go but under the current administration they seem to have no desire to trade elite prospects and are not all that wiling to sign BIG FA to long term deals by outbidding others. Maybe that changes once the begin losing to the Padres.