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#301 · November 12, 2019, 1:57 pm
Quote from Brian Connelly on November 12, 2019, 1:30 pmQuote from Henry Silvestre on November 12, 2019, 12:48 pmQuote from Brian Connelly on November 12, 2019, 12:45 pmsigh. "Heads will roll if we don't win.... with our 130 MM payroll: 5 MM over last year".
"AND let's come out & say it right now, so any agent with a good player including Zack Wheeler can immediately run away & block our calls"
"Let's also telegraph that we have given up on Urias, so we can ensure we diminish his trade value as much as possible right as we try to trade him as a 6 yr control starting 2B or SS". "We're giving up on the #30 MLB prospect from last year b/c the guy gave up too much AVG/OBP trying to hit for power... oh, wait, we told him to do that... and he only had 23 HR anyway, so we're moving on to the #78 MLB prospect who hit .... 1 HR ... instead. Don't worry, we're going to get him to alter his swing so he can hit for more power...."
:(:(:(
Payroll in 2019 was like $102mil... try +$40 mil.... and yes Myers +$15 mil plus is almost responsible for all the current payroll increases for 2020...
Wrong. Ending 2019 payroll was about 125 MM. CURRENT estimated 2020 payroll with dead $, known salaries, arb estimates, and 600K x # of minimum salary guys needed to fill roster (12 right now) is 120 MM. This assumes perfect health (no one on IL) all season and no "Stammen" (or other FA vet RP taking his place). If "Stammen" (re) signs, right at 125 MM+/-
Pads (or at least Acee as proxy) are coming right out & saying they will only raise payroll 4 - 12% overall (+ 5-15 MM) from both last year & current levels (assumes re-sign or replace Stammen @ 4-5 MM) to move from a 70-win team to a "win now or heads will roll" team led by a rookie Manager whose highest managing level was Arizona rookie league. If you're a Free Agent, are you headed to SD to "win now" in 2020 with these advance parameters? Is it possible those paramters are WHY we have a rookie no-experience Manager AGAIN? If you're Preller & it's blatantly obvious your job is on the line, yet you have a 0% chance of signing Strasburg or likely even Wheeler (how do you fit 20 MM x 5 yrs) due to these limitations, don't you just recklessly pull out the stops & start trading like a madman to save yourself since you can't sign the strength of the FA market, and there's not top tier help at the right positions in FA? What other choice does he have? Other teams KNOWING this reduces leverage to Preller.
Myers pay increase is 8.5 MM from 2019 to 2020. While payroll in 2020 is almost identical right now to last year, due to big decrease in "dead $", you are correct that this is by far the biggest salary increase.
Myers salary in 2019 was 5,666,666 it jumps to 22,666,666 in 2020
#302 · November 12, 2019, 2:02 pm
Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 12, 2019, 12:49 pmYeah I been kicking this around and say we got Price + Benintendi on a Myers + Lucchesi + Naylor + Arias + Morejon + Mejia type deal
Then followed with a Contreras for Hedges + Quantrill swap
followed by a Urias + Weathers + France + Ona for WHIT
With a final trade of Meadows for Patino + Margot + Edwards
Concluding with a FA signing of Hamels + Billy Hamilton + Stanmen
1B Hosmer 2B WHIT SS Tatis Jr 3B Machado C- CONTRERAS LF BENINTENDI CF MEADOWS RF Renfroe.....
BENCH - HAMILTON + Torrens/Allen + Garcia + Kinsler + Mejia-Bream (other)
SP - PRICE/Paddack/HAMELS/Richards/Lamet
BP- CL - Yates/ Stanmen/Munoz/Castillo/Baez/Bednar/Lauer/Strahm
Minors ready at some point in 2020-- Gore/Patino/Bolanos/Cantillo...... Miller/Trammell/Campusano/Ornelas... with yet another wave following led by CJ Abrams down the road
15 out.. 7 new faces in... a big roster turn over-- but only giving up 2 of our top 6 prospects and gaining big time pieces in return who are controlled for many seasons to come.. maybe not the ideal SP adds BUT 2 Veteran Gamers who will be lights out at Petco and above avg on the road.. how fast Gore takes to go from elite prospect to borderline ACE (like Paddack) will dictate how fast we could go from WC2 type wild entry to WS favorites (a la Houston).. But I think something along these lines is whats going to happen in 2020 offseason -- 7 new face in our 26.. and like 15 current faces or top 30 specs out--- sounds like a lot, but really feasible for this farm that would still boast Gore/Tramell/Campusano/CJ/ Manea/Head/Ornelas/Mears/Bolanos/etc.. etc...after all the moves
In your scenario if Patino is ready at some point in 2020 it will be for the Rays....:)
Which I would be OK with if it means we have Meadows.
#303 · November 12, 2019, 2:21 pm
Quote from David Nevin on November 12, 2019, 2:02 pmQuote from Henry Silvestre on November 12, 2019, 12:49 pmYeah I been kicking this around and say we got Price + Benintendi on a Myers + Lucchesi + Naylor + Arias + Morejon + Mejia type deal
Then followed with a Contreras for Hedges + Quantrill swap
followed by a Urias + Weathers + France + Ona for WHIT
With a final trade of Meadows for Patino + Margot + Edwards
Concluding with a FA signing of Hamels + Billy Hamilton + Stanmen
1B Hosmer 2B WHIT SS Tatis Jr 3B Machado C- CONTRERAS LF BENINTENDI CF MEADOWS RF Renfroe.....
BENCH - HAMILTON + Torrens/Allen + Garcia + Kinsler + Mejia-Bream (other)
SP - PRICE/Paddack/HAMELS/Richards/Lamet
BP- CL - Yates/ Stanmen/Munoz/Castillo/Baez/Bednar/Lauer/Strahm
Minors ready at some point in 2020-- Gore/Patino/Bolanos/Cantillo...... Miller/Trammell/Campusano/Ornelas... with yet another wave following led by CJ Abrams down the road
15 out.. 7 new faces in... a big roster turn over-- but only giving up 2 of our top 6 prospects and gaining big time pieces in return who are controlled for many seasons to come.. maybe not the ideal SP adds BUT 2 Veteran Gamers who will be lights out at Petco and above avg on the road.. how fast Gore takes to go from elite prospect to borderline ACE (like Paddack) will dictate how fast we could go from WC2 type wild entry to WS favorites (a la Houston).. But I think something along these lines is whats going to happen in 2020 offseason -- 7 new face in our 26.. and like 15 current faces or top 30 specs out--- sounds like a lot, but really feasible for this farm that would still boast Gore/Tramell/Campusano/CJ/ Manea/Head/Ornelas/Mears/Bolanos/etc.. etc...after all the moves
In your scenario if Patino is ready at some point in 2020 it will be for the Rays....:)
Which I would be OK with if it means we have Meadows.
I see Meadows as a potential Yelich with better D.. Be glad to give them 2 of our top 5 in Patino + Edwards for that BEAST..
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#304 · November 12, 2019, 2:32 pm
If we added Meadows and Merrifield I’d be ecstatic.
I’m just not as worried about our rotation as most.
Paddack without restrictions.....Lamet and Richards for the full season.
Lucchesi is fine as a #4.
Gore or whoever wins the #5 spot.
Id prefer to spend our $ and prospect capital on offense.
What I “don’t” want to do is lose prospects for a Starter who is only slightly better than Lauer/Quantrill etc.
Thats my biggest fear of this offseason.
#305 · November 12, 2019, 3:47 pm
Going off the projections that were in Jeff Sanders' article posted in the UT back in early October, I have the current payroll projected to be at around 117 mil. If the ultimate max payroll is 140 mil...that would give us 23 mil to work with as of now. So using that thinking, if the Padres max budget is 140, then unless they can work out some significant trades, then there is absolutely zero way they can get Stras/Cole or even much more than that if they really want to stretch their budget. So if we go off of a max payroll of 140. Still, get rid of 15/year of Myers' deal gets us to 38 mil to work with. Trade Renfroe and Garcia would give us 43 mil to work with. If we can do this while acquiring Marte and Meadows (+12 mil), then we would have between 21 and 31 mil of our remaining budget to work with (not taking away any money that would also leave in the Marte/Meadows deals). You could then get creative the rest of the way.
So Cantillo+Arias for Marte - no add'l money coming off our books = (+11.5 mil)
Now, for a proposed Meadows deal: Would a Morejon, Renfroe, Campusano deal make it work? (-3.4 mil)
Myers +Weathers + Potts maybe to the orioles for Villar (No money is eaten just contracts and prospects swapped (-9.6mil?)
Now going back to Snell and I am not going to put another trade proposal from thin air again but, the reasons to consider why they may be more willing to deal him than we would think: besides an increase of 6 mil which in salary which is nothing for him but remember the Rays are cheap, consider their rotation options outside of him:
Morton
Glasnow
Chirinos
Yarbrough (Opener)
McKay
Honeywell
So you could argue that after the down year from Snell (they still won a lot of games) they could still get a coup for him with MLB ready players with the in house Major League reinforcements already in their system. Both McKay and Honeywell are guys with big time upside. The thought was Honeywell would be up this past season at some point before he fractured his elbow. As you can tell he would be the guy I would try and pry away because I really do believe, as the Rays have shown a history of doing, he will be traded at some point in the next 2-3 seasons. The question is when?
Take away the Snell deal and we actually save 1.5 mil with these moves. Don't trade away Urias, instead get him back on track with confidence to work on things or use him in another deal. I don't think the Rays would have any use for him given their depth.
#306 · November 12, 2019, 5:30 pm
Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 12, 2019, 12:49 pmYeah I been kicking this around and say we got Price + Benintendi on a Myers + Lucchesi + Naylor + Arias + Morejon + Mejia type deal
Then followed with a Contreras for Hedges + Quantrill swap
followed by a Urias + Weathers + France + Ona for WHIT
With a final trade of Meadows for Patino + Margot + Edwards
Concluding with a FA signing of Hamels + Billy Hamilton + Stanmen
1B Hosmer 2B WHIT SS Tatis Jr 3B Machado C- CONTRERAS LF BENINTENDI CF MEADOWS RF Renfroe.....
BENCH - HAMILTON + Torrens/Allen + Garcia + Kinsler + Mejia-Bream (other)
SP - PRICE/Paddack/HAMELS/Richards/Lamet
BP- CL - Yates/ Stanmen/Munoz/Castillo/Baez/Bednar/Lauer/Strahm
Minors ready at some point in 2020-- Gore/Patino/Bolanos/Cantillo...... Miller/Trammell/Campusano/Ornelas... with yet another wave following led by CJ Abrams down the road
15 out.. 7 new faces in... a big roster turn over-- but only giving up 2 of our top 6 prospects and gaining big time pieces in return who are controlled for many seasons to come.. maybe not the ideal SP adds BUT 2 Veteran Gamers who will be lights out at Petco and above avg on the road.. how fast Gore takes to go from elite prospect to borderline ACE (like Paddack) will dictate how fast we could go from WC2 type wild entry to WS favorites (a la Houston).. But I think something along these lines is whats going to happen in 2020 offseason -- 7 new face in our 26.. and like 15 current faces or top 30 specs out--- sounds like a lot, but really feasible for this farm that would still boast Gore/Tramell/Campusano/CJ/ Manea/Head/Ornelas/Mears/Bolanos/etc.. etc...after all the moves
Day drinking again Henry? What do you have against the organization's ability to compete for a sustained period? This post was just stiring the pot.
#307 · November 12, 2019, 5:37 pm
Quote from Commie on November 12, 2019, 5:30 pmQuote from Henry Silvestre on November 12, 2019, 12:49 pmYeah I been kicking this around and say we got Price + Benintendi on a Myers + Lucchesi + Naylor + Arias + Morejon + Mejia type deal
Then followed with a Contreras for Hedges + Quantrill swap
followed by a Urias + Weathers + France + Ona for WHIT
With a final trade of Meadows for Patino + Margot + Edwards
Concluding with a FA signing of Hamels + Billy Hamilton + Stanmen
1B Hosmer 2B WHIT SS Tatis Jr 3B Machado C- CONTRERAS LF BENINTENDI CF MEADOWS RF Renfroe.....
BENCH - HAMILTON + Torrens/Allen + Garcia + Kinsler + Mejia-Bream (other)
SP - PRICE/Paddack/HAMELS/Richards/Lamet
BP- CL - Yates/ Stanmen/Munoz/Castillo/Baez/Bednar/Lauer/Strahm
Minors ready at some point in 2020-- Gore/Patino/Bolanos/Cantillo...... Miller/Trammell/Campusano/Ornelas... with yet another wave following led by CJ Abrams down the road
15 out.. 7 new faces in... a big roster turn over-- but only giving up 2 of our top 6 prospects and gaining big time pieces in return who are controlled for many seasons to come.. maybe not the ideal SP adds BUT 2 Veteran Gamers who will be lights out at Petco and above avg on the road.. how fast Gore takes to go from elite prospect to borderline ACE (like Paddack) will dictate how fast we could go from WC2 type wild entry to WS favorites (a la Houston).. But I think something along these lines is whats going to happen in 2020 offseason -- 7 new face in our 26.. and like 15 current faces or top 30 specs out--- sounds like a lot, but really feasible for this farm that would still boast Gore/Tramell/Campusano/CJ/ Manea/Head/Ornelas/Mears/Bolanos/etc.. etc...after all the moves
Day drinking again Henry? What do you have against the organization's ability to compete for a sustained period? This post was just stiring the pot.
Maybe Padres ownership should just trade the Padre team, Qualcomm Stadium, the Convention Center and Pacific Beach to Dodgers ownership for their team. Save several moves.
#308 · November 12, 2019, 5:52 pm
Quote from Commie on November 12, 2019, 5:30 pmQuote from Henry Silvestre on November 12, 2019, 12:49 pmYeah I been kicking this around and say we got Price + Benintendi on a Myers + Lucchesi + Naylor + Arias + Morejon + Mejia type deal
Then followed with a Contreras for Hedges + Quantrill swap
followed by a Urias + Weathers + France + Ona for WHIT
With a final trade of Meadows for Patino + Margot + Edwards
Concluding with a FA signing of Hamels + Billy Hamilton + Stanmen
1B Hosmer 2B WHIT SS Tatis Jr 3B Machado C- CONTRERAS LF BENINTENDI CF MEADOWS RF Renfroe.....
BENCH - HAMILTON + Torrens/Allen + Garcia + Kinsler + Mejia-Bream (other)
SP - PRICE/Paddack/HAMELS/Richards/Lamet
BP- CL - Yates/ Stanmen/Munoz/Castillo/Baez/Bednar/Lauer/Strahm
Minors ready at some point in 2020-- Gore/Patino/Bolanos/Cantillo...... Miller/Trammell/Campusano/Ornelas... with yet another wave following led by CJ Abrams down the road
15 out.. 7 new faces in... a big roster turn over-- but only giving up 2 of our top 6 prospects and gaining big time pieces in return who are controlled for many seasons to come.. maybe not the ideal SP adds BUT 2 Veteran Gamers who will be lights out at Petco and above avg on the road.. how fast Gore takes to go from elite prospect to borderline ACE (like Paddack) will dictate how fast we could go from WC2 type wild entry to WS favorites (a la Houston).. But I think something along these lines is whats going to happen in 2020 offseason -- 7 new face in our 26.. and like 15 current faces or top 30 specs out--- sounds like a lot, but really feasible for this farm that would still boast Gore/Tramell/Campusano/CJ/ Manea/Head/Ornelas/Mears/Bolanos/etc.. etc...after all the moves
Day drinking again Henry? What do you have against the organization's ability to compete for a sustained period? This post was just stiring the pot.
Dude added Meadows is 24 yrs old control until 2025, added Benintendi 24 yrs old controled to 23... Whit controlled to 23, Price controled to 23, Contreras control to 23
How is this not a sustained competitive team... while still having replacements in line for Benintendi (Trammell/Head/Mears/Ornelas)... Meadows (CJ Abrams/Head/Trammell) Contreras (Campusano/Hunt/Kouzma) and Price (Gore/etc..)
Our system can do these trade proposals 2 times over and still be top 15 in baseball-- we deep, sustainability is easy when you have a RANCH (not a Farm) -- we can continue trading Machado on his walk year plus all these acquisitions (cherry picking 1 or 2 for extensions) while cashing in and adding prospects along the way.... not to mention 2020/21/22 etc,, drafts that would be providing even more options for our 2023/24/25 rosters when these graduate... and thats not even counting 2016/17/18/19/20 J2 signings.. who knows that Mexican kid (16yr old Sayed Salinas LHP/OF we signed today ($800K) with the extra $$ (Intermnational pool slot) we got for Jankowski could be another Paddack/Gore by then,,,,
#309 · November 12, 2019, 5:53 pm
Quote from JasonE135 on November 12, 2019, 5:37 pmQuote from Commie on November 12, 2019, 5:30 pmQuote from Henry Silvestre on November 12, 2019, 12:49 pmYeah I been kicking this around and say we got Price + Benintendi on a Myers + Lucchesi + Naylor + Arias + Morejon + Mejia type deal
Then followed with a Contreras for Hedges + Quantrill swap
followed by a Urias + Weathers + France + Ona for WHIT
With a final trade of Meadows for Patino + Margot + Edwards
Concluding with a FA signing of Hamels + Billy Hamilton + Stanmen
1B Hosmer 2B WHIT SS Tatis Jr 3B Machado C- CONTRERAS LF BENINTENDI CF MEADOWS RF Renfroe.....
BENCH - HAMILTON + Torrens/Allen + Garcia + Kinsler + Mejia-Bream (other)
SP - PRICE/Paddack/HAMELS/Richards/Lamet
BP- CL - Yates/ Stanmen/Munoz/Castillo/Baez/Bednar/Lauer/Strahm
Minors ready at some point in 2020-- Gore/Patino/Bolanos/Cantillo...... Miller/Trammell/Campusano/Ornelas... with yet another wave following led by CJ Abrams down the road
15 out.. 7 new faces in... a big roster turn over-- but only giving up 2 of our top 6 prospects and gaining big time pieces in return who are controlled for many seasons to come.. maybe not the ideal SP adds BUT 2 Veteran Gamers who will be lights out at Petco and above avg on the road.. how fast Gore takes to go from elite prospect to borderline ACE (like Paddack) will dictate how fast we could go from WC2 type wild entry to WS favorites (a la Houston).. But I think something along these lines is whats going to happen in 2020 offseason -- 7 new face in our 26.. and like 15 current faces or top 30 specs out--- sounds like a lot, but really feasible for this farm that would still boast Gore/Tramell/Campusano/CJ/ Manea/Head/Ornelas/Mears/Bolanos/etc.. etc...after all the moves
Day drinking again Henry? What do you have against the organization's ability to compete for a sustained period? This post was just stiring the pot.
Maybe Padres ownership should just trade the Padre team, Qualcomm Stadium, the Convention Center and Pacific Beach to Dodgers ownership for their team. Save several moves.
No way I put PB in that deal. Counter with Oceanside.
#310 · November 12, 2019, 6:02 pm
Quote from Commie on November 12, 2019, 5:53 pmQuote from JasonE135 on November 12, 2019, 5:37 pmQuote from Commie on November 12, 2019, 5:30 pmQuote from Henry Silvestre on November 12, 2019, 12:49 pmYeah I been kicking this around and say we got Price + Benintendi on a Myers + Lucchesi + Naylor + Arias + Morejon + Mejia type deal
Then followed with a Contreras for Hedges + Quantrill swap
followed by a Urias + Weathers + France + Ona for WHIT
With a final trade of Meadows for Patino + Margot + Edwards
Concluding with a FA signing of Hamels + Billy Hamilton + Stanmen
1B Hosmer 2B WHIT SS Tatis Jr 3B Machado C- CONTRERAS LF BENINTENDI CF MEADOWS RF Renfroe.....
BENCH - HAMILTON + Torrens/Allen + Garcia + Kinsler + Mejia-Bream (other)
SP - PRICE/Paddack/HAMELS/Richards/Lamet
BP- CL - Yates/ Stanmen/Munoz/Castillo/Baez/Bednar/Lauer/Strahm
Minors ready at some point in 2020-- Gore/Patino/Bolanos/Cantillo...... Miller/Trammell/Campusano/Ornelas... with yet another wave following led by CJ Abrams down the road
15 out.. 7 new faces in... a big roster turn over-- but only giving up 2 of our top 6 prospects and gaining big time pieces in return who are controlled for many seasons to come.. maybe not the ideal SP adds BUT 2 Veteran Gamers who will be lights out at Petco and above avg on the road.. how fast Gore takes to go from elite prospect to borderline ACE (like Paddack) will dictate how fast we could go from WC2 type wild entry to WS favorites (a la Houston).. But I think something along these lines is whats going to happen in 2020 offseason -- 7 new face in our 26.. and like 15 current faces or top 30 specs out--- sounds like a lot, but really feasible for this farm that would still boast Gore/Tramell/Campusano/CJ/ Manea/Head/Ornelas/Mears/Bolanos/etc.. etc...after all the moves
Day drinking again Henry? What do you have against the organization's ability to compete for a sustained period? This post was just stiring the pot.
Maybe Padres ownership should just trade the Padre team, Qualcomm Stadium, the Convention Center and Pacific Beach to Dodgers ownership for their team. Save several moves.
No way I put PB in that deal. Counter with Oceanside.
they can have La Mesa and Escondido for all I care