Quote from fenn68 on November 12, 2019, 1:35 am

From most I have read their is a significant shortage of legit CF and C (vs. multiple teams need CF and C) either as FA or trade pieces. So could be the Padres be in a position for getting better than expected returns if the put Margot and Hedges on the market.

IF Hedges defensive value is that compelling to discount his offense his return could surprise ... if it isn’t not sure why the Padres want to keep him. MLBTradeRumors suggest teams needing catchers are Reds, Brewers, Angels, Rays, Braves, Astros, Rangers ... maybe not all but a lot and Grandal is going to be expensive. If not a alone, Hedges may add value in a multi player deal. (I guess to a lesser degree Allen’s value may be greater than we think). Bottom line a lot of teams need catchers and no much quality exists.

Same concept with Margot who actually does rank in the upper half of ML CF ... difference the Padres don’t have a clear replacement unless they trade for Marte and/or Akiyama.

Since I don’t really see the Padres contend baring some weird luck in 2020 (2021 yes) moving both to set up a better 2021 and beyond may be strategic. For now can live with a Mejia / Torrens catching duo and with Trammell in line for CF (probably not worse than Margot) in late 2020 or 2021 moving Margot (for a value return) now may be worth the risk of an unproven CF in 2020.

Quote from BoosterSD on November 12, 2019, 5:49 am

Quote from fenn68 on November 12, 2019, 1:35 am

Since I don’t really see the Padres contend baring some weird luck in 2020 (2021 yes) moving both to set up a better 2021 and beyond may be strategic. For now can live with a Mejia / Torrens catching duo and with Trammell in line for CF (probably not worse than Margot) in late 2020 or 2021 moving Margot (for a value return) now may be worth the risk of an unproven CF in 2020.

If that is the case, then SD should use this off season to clean house and give some other players waiting in the wings a chance to see what SD has and needs going forward in 2021. Players that should move for the right deal. Myers, Margot, Hedges, and Kinsler. See what you have in Mejia, Torrens, and Gettys. Let Naylor refine his power game in AAA, let Cordero stay healthy in AAA, and then they can be moves to be made around the ASG break as reinforcements.

Still should be done this off season, sign Cole or Strasburg, Dickerson, and Akiyama. These moves along with a full year of Tatis, a better Urias, and a complete healthy year from Renfroe should keep SD right around the .500 mark and maybe 5-6 games out of the second WC spot. And that should keep the casual fan happy and keep Fowler off AJPs back for one last season. However, then 2021 really becomes a put up or shut up season for the FO.

Quote from fenn68 on November 12, 2019, 8:00 am

Quote from BoosterSD on November 12, 2019, 5:49 am

Quote from fenn68 on November 12, 2019, 1:35 am

Since I don’t really see the Padres contend baring some weird luck in 2020 (2021 yes) moving both to set up a better 2021 and beyond may be strategic. For now can live with a Mejia / Torrens catching duo and with Trammell in line for CF (probably not worse than Margot) in late 2020 or 2021 moving Margot (for a value return) now may be worth the risk of an unproven CF in 2020.

If that is the case, then SD should use this off season to clean house and give some other players waiting in the wings a chance to see what SD has and needs going forward in 2021. Players that should move for the right deal. Myers, Margot, Hedges, and Kinsler. See what you have in Mejia, Torrens, and Gettys. Let Naylor refine his power game in AAA, let Cordero stay healthy in AAA, and then they can be moves to be made around the ASG break as reinforcements.

Still should be done this off season, sign Cole or Strasburg, Dickerson, and Akiyama. These moves along with a full year of Tatis, a better Urias, and a complete healthy year from Renfroe should keep SD right around the .500 mark and maybe 5-6 games out of the second WC spot. And that should keep the casual fan happy and keep Fowler off AJPs back for one last season. However, then 2021 really becomes a put up or shut up season for the FO.

My names may be slightly different but that is my view ... do some housecleaning of the players that they don’t see as the future ... give the internal prospects more ML development time .... sign / trade only if the deal is good for players have long term value.

If they see that opportunity in a FA such as Cole or Strasburg ... and not seeing that recurring next winter ... got to strike if you can.

Side: baring a total failure in 2020 don’t really see Preller at risk .... however after 2021 that may be a different story (1 year left on his and Tingler’s contracts). Has to be some consideration of 2021 being the Gore - Patino - Trammell full debut season ... maybe Edwards plus time to see the full maturation of Paddack, Tatis, Mejia. Hard to justify axing Preller when the fruits of his 5 year plan (that Fowler bought into) are just arriving.

Quote from fenn68 on November 12, 2019, 8:05 am

I have to say I am a bit surprise that both Nix (sent to EP) and Yardley (released) both cleared waivers ... Nix is still young and was marginally effective as a plus prospect and Yardley was serviceable in his ML debut. Given the lack of ML pitching ... many very very bad not sure why some team did not take a flyer on them (could always release them out of ST).

Does that suggest that teams selecting in Rue 5 may not be as active as some fear? Actually Rule 5 has not been that active in recent years and a big number selected have been returned. Something to consider.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 12, 2019, 8:06 am

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Since I don’t really see the Padres contend baring some weird luck in 2020 (2021 yes) moving both to set up a better 2021 and beyond may be strategic. For now can live with a Mejia / Torrens catching duo and with Trammell in line for CF (probably not worse than Margot) in late 2020 or 2021 moving Margot (for a value return) now may be worth the risk of an unproven CF in 2020.

If that is the case, then SD should use this off season to clean house and give some other players waiting in the wings a chance to see what SD has and needs going forward in 2021. Players that should move for the right deal. Myers, Margot, Hedges, and Kinsler. See what you have in Mejia, Torrens, and Gettys. Let Naylor refine his power game in AAA, let Cordero stay healthy in AAA, and then they can be moves to be made around the ASG break as reinforcements.

Still should be done this off season, sign Cole or Strasburg, Dickerson, and Akiyama. These moves along with a full year of Tatis, a better Urias, and a complete healthy year from Renfroe should keep SD right around the .500 mark and maybe 5-6 games out of the second WC spot. And that should keep the casual fan happy and keep Fowler off AJPs back for one last season. However, then 2021 really becomes a put up or shut up season for the FO.

My names may be slightly different but that is my view ... do some housecleaning of the players that they don’t see as the future ... give the internal prospects more ML development time .... sign / trade only if the deal is good for players have long term value.

If they see that opportunity in a FA such as Cole or Strasburg ... and not seeing that recurring next winter ... got to strike if you can.

Side: baring a total failure in 2020 don’t really see Preller at risk .... however after 2021 that may be a different story (1 year left on his and Tingler’s contracts). Has to be some consideration of 2021 being the Gore - Patino - Trammell full debut season ... maybe Edwards plus time to see the full maturation of Paddack, Tatis, Mejia. Hard to justify axing Preller when the fruits of his 5 year plan (that Fowler bought into) are just arriving.

Cant be playoffs or Bust with 20% of your roster and 40% of your SP being rookies??? just saying

Quote from BoosterSD on November 12, 2019, 8:53 am

Unless they shock the world and take Gore or Patino onto the 26 man roster out of Spring Training, no one on the roster next year will be rookies.

Right now, our projected rotation is Richards, Luchessi, Paddock, Lauer, and Lamet. None are rookies.

And your starting line up of Myers, Margot, Renfroe, Machado, Tatis, Urias, Hosmer, and Mejia, none of them are rookies. And your bench of Garcia, France, Naylor, Hedges none are rookies. The only possibility is in the bull pen for us to have some rookies still. Unless they sign Akiyama, then technically he would be a rookie.

So yes, I can see where Fowler may have no problem saying playoffs or bust. But I think it is closer to .500 record or bust.

Quote from Henry Silvestre on November 12, 2019, 9:04 am

Quote from BoosterSD on November 12, 2019, 8:53 am

Unless they shock the world and take Gore or Patino onto the 26 man roster out of Spring Training, no one on the roster next year will be rookies.

Right now, our projected rotation is Richards, Luchessi, Paddock, Lauer, and Lamet. None are rookies.

And your starting line up of Myers, Margot, Renfroe, Machado, Tatis, Urias, Hosmer, and Mejia, none of them are rookies. And your bench of Garcia, France, Naylor, Hedges none are rookies. The only possibility is in the bull pen for us to have some rookies still. Unless they sign Akiyama, then technically he would be a rookie.

So yes, I can see where Fowler may have no problem saying playoffs or bust. But I think it is closer to .500 record or bust.

I meant 2021 in answering the THEN WE HAVE Patino + Gore + Trammel and maybe Edwars up in 21 comment above...

Quote from BoosterSD on November 12, 2019, 9:24 am

Even with those players being rookies in 2021, I still think that 2021 is playoffs or bust for AJP and Tingler. Those two will have two seasons together at the conclusion of the 2021 season. I think that Fowler is taking the mentality of the casual fan, and enough is enough. It is time to win. No more excuses.

Quote from fenn68 on November 12, 2019, 9:38 am

I take the “playoffs or bust” with a grain of salt even for 2021. Maybe a bit depends on whether they go out for the big FA signing (Cole or Strasburg) and make a second splash (trade or FA) this winter or next. However, noticeable progress on the record and noticeable success with the prospects has to be seen.

So if in 2021 they get the impact from Gore, Patino, Trammell that they got from Tatis and Paddack ... even if they miss the playoffs ... hard for Fowler to have heads roll when the five year plan he approved is showing success (albeit maybe a year later than hoped)

However, there should be an expectation of a legit playoff run in 2021 IF they added Cole or Strasburg .... Tatis / Paddack (in their 3rd year) progress has projected ... Machado settles into his SD role ... Hosmer is back to average Hosmer ... and they make any significant move for the OF. The emerging rookies would be the icing on the cake if they hit the field successfully. Since I generally believe that “elite” SP can hit the ML with quick success having Gore and Patino arriving may not be that big a challenge .... sort of like Paddack or Soroka but without innings limits in 2021. Hard to make the call yet on Trammell but Soto and Acura along with Tatis made pretty successful debuts on contending teams ... but a bigger risk.