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Quote from MrPadre19 on February 10, 2020, 7:31 pm

Myers can play CF against LH and some 1B.

 

IMO this would be the worse thing that SD could do to Myers, if they hope to get him back on track in the batters box. I truly believe that he needs to be in the same spot defensively, and probably in the batting order as well so that he can concentrate on hitting. No platoons, very few days off, no athletic enough to play this position, just put him in RF, and bat him 6th or 7th and see what he can do until after the All Star game. Then based on how he is doing we can figure things out from there.

As far as CF is concerned, Lugares bats against LHP, and France takes 1B for Hosmer against LHP.

My comment was based on us adding Kris Bryant.

Pretty sure that ain’t happening.

But.....word is Myers will have shot at CF so who knows.

I think his chances of rebounding has more to do with him playing everyday than him  playing “the same position” everyday though.

 

Quote from MrPadre19 on February 10, 2020, 7:31 pm

Pham/Myers/Bryant could also bring us close to 100 Hr’s and 250 RBI’s.

Not likely but:

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Easily a WC team.

BTW.....I would prefer Cordero kicks ass in ST and plays CF against all RH pitchers.

Myers can play CF against LH and some 1B.

 

We still have all of the same issues that we used to have. We cannot take on the money of Bryant without getting rid of Myers. We will need to put in quality prospects to get anyone to take Myers. The Sox are not desperate anymore. Then we will need to throw in probably 2 top100 prospects to get Bryant. This would be a more difficult trade to work out than the Betts trade. It's just not going to happen.

That being said, I do believe that Bryant can play RF. He definitely has the arm for it. Myers is a headcase and cannot be moved around. He is a corner OF, period. Cordero can play any OF position. He has 29.9 ft/sec speed. That is premium. He has a plus arm. He can play CF easily. The only OF strictly restricted to LF are terrible defenders and guys with noodle arms.

I realize this means little but I was looking over the Fantasy baseball player rankings on Yahoo and the Padres have "Seven" guys ranked in the top 100.

Not sure that has "ever" happened before?

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A sign we are accumulating some talent. Still need an elite bat outside of Tatis, Pham, and Machado. Internally Mejia and Hosmer are our best candidates. Externally, I think we missed the boat with opportunities to improve in CF and 2B. I dont mind developing Grisham/Trammel and Cronenworth/Miller in the future, but it's a pretty big jump to assert them as ready for a team in contention. That being said, I do feel Cronenworth may be ready to make the jump sooner than the others.

Cronenworth played college ball, has seen pitching at all levels in the minors, performed in the premier league, and recently raked in AAA. So did France though. So it brings me back to my point, such players have potential, just not sure recently promoted players(excluding Tatis) should be the primary option right now if we are trying to contend.

I guess we do have Profar/Garcia as the primary, I just see both as utility, flex players. As I ramble, my point is I think we could have done more by acquiring proven ML talent in those positions of need.

Arguably Texas, Washington, St Louis, Atlanta are legit candidates for Kris Bryant with San Diego a potential player. From a Cubs standpoint (currently over the luxury tax and wanting to shed payroll) what would it take in a return to move Bryant given he is 2 years control at $18.6MM and TBD (probably $25MMish)?

On the other hand Arenado may be marketed (but bigger / longer contract) BUT COLO could accept a big contract back with prospects.

Potential buyers have options ... potential sellers have different motivations and price points. Could go a lot of ways.

Simply the Padres will not take Bryant without moving Myers contract ... Cubs will not take any of Myers contract just to move Bryant given the other buyers. If so, Padres need to include a number of quality prospects to move Myers (apparently very good prospects since continual attempts to deal Myers have been unsuccessful) ... then to get Bryant need a number of very high quality prospects (better than the other bidders) to get Bryant. That is a lot of assets to give up on to get 2 years of Bryant over Myers for RF at a higher salary cost since a certainty that the Padres would have to eat a notable chunk of Myers’ contract.

No deal.

 

Quote from sportwarrior on February 10, 2020, 1:23 pm

Let's not be so quick to throw Wingenter's name into the AAAA bin. The dude has legitimately good stuff and was a stud in April/May before his command fell off a cliff. He's almost certainly ticketed for the minors, but I'd be disappointed if he didn't become a plus contributor at the big league level sometime this year or next.

Also, while we're at it, I want to recognize that Perdomo wasn't actually THAT bad last year. He had an ERA+ of 106 and soaked up a lot of innings in losing games for us. I still like his stuff, too. He probably isn't a member of a playoff-caliber bullpen, but he's still got some value.

Sport,  I agree these guys are definitely MLB P's... and Wingenter has serious upside; he just wasn't the same after an injury/DL stint in Spring.   Perdomo's SP experience i.e. multi-inning or opener ability has to intrigue a lot of teams.  LOVE the depth.  Last year Yates & esp Stammen got ridiculously over-worked.  A lot of the griping about Stammen is b/c there were no other options; so he'd pitch 3 days in a row & get hammered a few times when he had nothing left in the tank.  It's inevitable 1 or more of the pen guys are going to struggle more than we'd like; but now we have the depth to overcome it.

Quote from TatisJr on February 10, 2020, 5:46 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on February 10, 2020, 5:35 pm
Quote from BoosterSD on February 10, 2020, 5:11 pm
Quote from TatisJr on February 10, 2020, 4:09 pm

I know most of you think it’s crazy, but I feel like Preller is going to land Kris Bryant. I think Kimbrel or Chatwood could be added in the deal so Cubs unload some salary while adding young cheap talent. The Padres have a major surplus in pitching and Bryant doesn’t seem likely to be with them long term. Ownership will be willing to take on salary if it means they land star like Bryant. The Cubs and Padres make a lot of sense as trade partners. Didn’t Morejon make his debut in Wrigley? Showcase?

How would Bryant make us better? How many LFers do we need? We have 6 on the 40 man roster, no true CFer, and a RFer that hasnt seen the field in 2 years as it is. The only thing worse in 2020 than having Naylor in the OF at all, would be Myers in CF so we could put another LFer in RF.

We need to get a real CFer now, and get rid of Myers some how. And even IF we can get rid of Myers, Bryant in RF is a BAD idea!

How would Bryant make us better?

He has a career OBP of .385 and a career OPS of .901 and he’s only 28.

Now you could argue he would cost too much or we would have to play someone out of position.....but you can’t argue that he wouldn’t make us better.

I’ve seen rumor that Tatis could get reps in CF?

If true(which I doubt) but if true,Bryant at 3B and Machado at SS would be pretty sweet.

 

 

Booster, you can’t be serious with that take? Kris Bryant is one of the best players in baseball and any team that acquired would instantly be better. As Mr.P pointed out .385 OBP 30 plus homer guys don’t grow on trees. Bryant can play 3B,1B,RF or LF. He’s a great athlete and he’s been versatile for the Cubs while putting up elite offensive numbers.

Tatis... but how can Padres afford him?  Betts proposal revolved around Myers going back.  Cubs not going to do that & 2 yrs control vs. 1 & paying luxury tax, etc.

... I'd LOVE to see Bryant, Lindor, Clevenger, etc... but the cost for guys like Bryant in $$ and the others in trade (& $$) is just too high.... you've got to propose an actual trade with pieces back that the trading away team might consider, and Pads within confines of SOME payroll limitations when already at all time high or I have to tune it out as just wishful thinking.

Quote from fenn68 on February 11, 2020, 7:44 am

Arguably Texas, Washington, St Louis, Atlanta are legit candidates for Kris Bryant with San Diego a potential player. From a Cubs standpoint (currently over the luxury tax and wanting to shed payroll) what would it take in a return to move Bryant given he is 2 years control at $18.6MM and TBD (probably $25MMish)?

On the other hand Arenado may be marketed (but bigger / longer contract) BUT COLO could accept a big contract back with prospects.

Potential buyers have options ... potential sellers have different motivations and price points. Could go a lot of ways.

Simply the Padres will not take Bryant without moving Myers contract ... Cubs will not take any of Myers contract just to move Bryant given the other buyers. If so, Padres need to include a number of quality prospects to move Myers (apparently very good prospects since continual attempts to deal Myers have been unsuccessful) ... then to get Bryant need a number of very high quality prospects (better than the other bidders) to get Bryant. That is a lot of assets to give up on to get 2 years of Bryant over Myers for RF at a higher salary cost since a certainty that the Padres would have to eat a notable chunk of Myers’ contract.

No deal.

 

Of all the teams Fenn listed, Atlanta is the only team that could put together a talented enough package to beat the Padres in a Bryant deal. I’d add LAD and Philly to the list of KB suitors. From what I’ve heard, Atl is not in on Bryant due to payroll restrictions. The Cubs want to get under the tax and they have numerous big money  contracts they could attach to Bryant. Chatwood and Kimbrel stand out to me, but they also have J-Hey, Yu, etc. The reported attempts to dump Myers involved players like Whit and Mookie. Those guys are talented franchise players so the fact no deal materialized doesn’t concern me. I think Myers, Hedges, some talented prospects we like and some of the relief depth will be moved before the season starts and we will get a big bat. Tatis, Pham, Manny, Bryant, Hosmer 1-5, with a strong BP and Paddack/Lamet 1,2 at top of rotation is enough to get to playoffs.

I think something along the lines of Myers, Abrams, Potts, Morejon, Cal for Bryant and Chatwood would make sense for both teams. Obviously a steep price, but if AJP feels adding Bryant in 2020 can make them a playoff team I think he pulls the trigger.