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Quote from LynchMob on January 9, 2020, 1:25 pmQuote from onlypads on January 9, 2020, 10:58 amI am getting excited about cronenworth. Keep hearing he is a super utility player with an advanced eye.
https://www.prospects1500.com/nl-west/padres/san-diego-padres-2020-top-50-prospects/
10. Jake Cronenworth, SS/RHP (‘19 Midseason Rank – )
Bound to become a fan favorite, Cronenworth does a lot of things and does them really well. For one, he is a great defender that can play multiple positions which is great for fantasy. Second, his hit tool is continuing to rise the scales and looks to be legit. He also can steal bags. To top it all off, he should be able to double as a late-inning reliever who throws gas. Just a fun guy to have on your squad. ETA: Mid 2020
Quote from onlypads on January 9, 2020, 10:58 amI am getting excited about cronenworth. Keep hearing he is a super utility player with an advanced eye.
10. Jake Cronenworth, SS/RHP (‘19 Midseason Rank – )
Bound to become a fan favorite, Cronenworth does a lot of things and does them really well. For one, he is a great defender that can play multiple positions which is great for fantasy. Second, his hit tool is continuing to rise the scales and looks to be legit. He also can steal bags. To top it all off, he should be able to double as a late-inning reliever who throws gas. Just a fun guy to have on your squad. ETA: Mid 2020
Quote from MrPadre19 on January 10, 2020, 10:38 amYates agrees to a $7 mil contract with Padres.
BTW...Renfroe gets $3.3 mil from Rays.
Yates agrees to a $7 mil contract with Padres.
BTW...Renfroe gets $3.3 mil from Rays.
Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 10, 2020, 11:44 amHedges gets $3 mil
Hedges gets $3 mil
Quote from fenn68 on January 10, 2020, 4:30 pmPadres get all their arbitration eligible players signed today.
Padres get all their arbitration eligible players signed today.
Quote from BoosterSD on January 10, 2020, 6:01 pmWith the updated arb numbers from today, here is the running totals I have for right now. This is considering the non arb players at league minimum is at $583,500, saw it some where, maybe MLBTR. Also have double checked some numbers with spotrac web page as well
The 26 man roster at $136.8M.
The balance of the 40 man roster at $8.2M all being non arb players at $583,500.
The dead/buy out money is at $13.5M with Oliveras, Kinsler, Loup, and Warren. Of course, not sure about how Kinslers money is going to be considered going forward, so it could reduce that by some.
Grand total is at $158.4M± for the 2020 season.
With the updated arb numbers from today, here is the running totals I have for right now. This is considering the non arb players at league minimum is at $583,500, saw it some where, maybe MLBTR. Also have double checked some numbers with spotrac web page as well
The 26 man roster at $136.8M.
The balance of the 40 man roster at $8.2M all being non arb players at $583,500.
The dead/buy out money is at $13.5M with Oliveras, Kinsler, Loup, and Warren. Of course, not sure about how Kinslers money is going to be considered going forward, so it could reduce that by some.
Grand total is at $158.4M± for the 2020 season.
Quote from Henry Silvestre on January 10, 2020, 6:40 pmQuote from BoosterSD on January 10, 2020, 6:01 pmWith the updated arb numbers from today, here is the running totals I have for right now. This is considering the non arb players at league minimum is at $583,500, saw it some where, maybe MLBTR. Also have double checked some numbers with spotrac web page as well
The 26 man roster at $136.8M.
The balance of the 40 man roster at $8.2M all being non arb players at $583,500.
The dead/buy out money is at $13.5M with Oliveras, Kinsler, Loup, and Warren. Of course, not sure about how Kinslers money is going to be considered going forward, so it could reduce that by some.
Grand total is at $158.4M± for the 2020 season.
Actually is $151.4 or so as only 26 get paid.. You assume guys like Ona Olivares etc.. On the 40 man get minimum ..they don't... Only if they are on the 26 man .. And in the MLB .. And if they get called up at the time of the call up then yes they get minimum BUT not the 575k or whatever it is.. Just a pro-rated amount for the time up
Quote from BoosterSD on January 10, 2020, 6:01 pmWith the updated arb numbers from today, here is the running totals I have for right now. This is considering the non arb players at league minimum is at $583,500, saw it some where, maybe MLBTR. Also have double checked some numbers with spotrac web page as well
The 26 man roster at $136.8M.
The balance of the 40 man roster at $8.2M all being non arb players at $583,500.
The dead/buy out money is at $13.5M with Oliveras, Kinsler, Loup, and Warren. Of course, not sure about how Kinslers money is going to be considered going forward, so it could reduce that by some.
Grand total is at $158.4M± for the 2020 season.
Actually is $151.4 or so as only 26 get paid.. You assume guys like Ona Olivares etc.. On the 40 man get minimum ..they don't... Only if they are on the 26 man .. And in the MLB .. And if they get called up at the time of the call up then yes they get minimum BUT not the 575k or whatever it is.. Just a pro-rated amount for the time up
Quote from fenn68 on January 11, 2020, 5:47 amProbably just a fan debate on the payroll and what should be included (or not) but the Padres probably have their own view based on cash flow ... but in all views 2020 should be the highest ever for the Padres and in the upper half of MLB.
Acee has the 26 man (plus) roster coming in at $139MM while Roster Resource (usually pretty up to date and accurate) has the 40 man (plus) at $155MM. Differences appear to be:
9.500MM ... allocation of signing bonuses for Machado, Hosmer, Myers, Pomeranz (not sure on cash flow)
3.750MM .... Kinsler (retired or not ... Padres are going to be paying him something)
2.750MM ... projected for the rest of the 40 man roster.
Probably just a fan debate on the payroll and what should be included (or not) but the Padres probably have their own view based on cash flow ... but in all views 2020 should be the highest ever for the Padres and in the upper half of MLB.
Acee has the 26 man (plus) roster coming in at $139MM while Roster Resource (usually pretty up to date and accurate) has the 40 man (plus) at $155MM. Differences appear to be:
9.500MM ... allocation of signing bonuses for Machado, Hosmer, Myers, Pomeranz (not sure on cash flow)
3.750MM .... Kinsler (retired or not ... Padres are going to be paying him something)
2.750MM ... projected for the rest of the 40 man roster.
Quote from fenn68 on January 11, 2020, 6:10 amFYI from a couple of years back:
Only major league players are unionized, and their collective bargaining agreement sets minimum salaries for players on 40-man rosters: $545,000 for those in the major leagues this season, $88,900 for 40-man roster players in the minors signing at least their second big league contract and $44,500 for 40-man roster players in the minors signing their first big league contract.
Guessing that COLA has bumped the $88,900 to around $90,000 and the $44,500 to around $45,000 (and for the Padres that would only apply to Ona as a first year on the 40 man). Should note that if a player with a guaranteed contract (e.g. Perdomo) is sent down .. he retains his guarantee. Players on the IL retain their ML salary. Call-ups get bumped to the ML minimum when on the 26 man ... and since that happens every year ... "easy" to estimate the additional bumps expected.
Should add that all that does not address the additional upward pressure of players going on the 60 day IL (at ML salary) and an additional player is added to the 40 man at the ML level. Players are only eligible for the 60 day IL if the 40 man is full and the desired add is a non-roster player. Padres had as may as 10 players on the 60 day IL during 2019 ... so that should be considered as a known unknown.
FYI from a couple of years back:
Only major league players are unionized, and their collective bargaining agreement sets minimum salaries for players on 40-man rosters: $545,000 for those in the major leagues this season, $88,900 for 40-man roster players in the minors signing at least their second big league contract and $44,500 for 40-man roster players in the minors signing their first big league contract.
Guessing that COLA has bumped the $88,900 to around $90,000 and the $44,500 to around $45,000 (and for the Padres that would only apply to Ona as a first year on the 40 man). Should note that if a player with a guaranteed contract (e.g. Perdomo) is sent down .. he retains his guarantee. Players on the IL retain their ML salary. Call-ups get bumped to the ML minimum when on the 26 man ... and since that happens every year ... "easy" to estimate the additional bumps expected.
Should add that all that does not address the additional upward pressure of players going on the 60 day IL (at ML salary) and an additional player is added to the 40 man at the ML level. Players are only eligible for the 60 day IL if the 40 man is full and the desired add is a non-roster player. Padres had as may as 10 players on the 60 day IL during 2019 ... so that should be considered as a known unknown.
Quote from fenn68 on January 11, 2020, 6:47 amProbably no better than any other defensive stat (they are all "questionable") but a new stat for INF is out on MLB.com. Outs Above Average (OAA). So, for your amusement for "qualified" players in 2019:
1B .... Hosmer ... 39th out of 40 with an OAA of -6
SS ... Tatis .... 33rd out of 35 with an OAA of -13 (spectacular is overshadowed by inconsistency ... especially on coming in a balls)
3B ... Machado ... 32nd out of 35 with an OAA of -5
So based on this new metric ... the core of the Padres INF defense is near the bottom for each of the positions ... not the image we have believed.
Will add
2B .... Kinsler was 19th out of 38 with an OAA of +1 (but he is gone)
2B .... Garcia was 23rd out of 38 with an OAA of 0 (guess that makes him the best INF for their position)
2B .... Profar was 30th out of 38 with an OAA of -3 (guess he fits right in).
Probably no better than any other defensive stat (they are all "questionable") but a new stat for INF is out on MLB.com. Outs Above Average (OAA). So, for your amusement for "qualified" players in 2019:
1B .... Hosmer ... 39th out of 40 with an OAA of -6
SS ... Tatis .... 33rd out of 35 with an OAA of -13 (spectacular is overshadowed by inconsistency ... especially on coming in a balls)
3B ... Machado ... 32nd out of 35 with an OAA of -5
So based on this new metric ... the core of the Padres INF defense is near the bottom for each of the positions ... not the image we have believed.
Will add
2B .... Kinsler was 19th out of 38 with an OAA of +1 (but he is gone)
2B .... Garcia was 23rd out of 38 with an OAA of 0 (guess that makes him the best INF for their position)
2B .... Profar was 30th out of 38 with an OAA of -3 (guess he fits right in).




