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Manny Machado signs with Padres!!!!!

Quote from Commie on April 4, 2019, 2:10 pm
Quote from LynchMob on April 4, 2019, 11:52 am

Because of the kicking-Aguilar incident (and others?), Manny is going to get reactions like this for the rest of his career ...

https://www.mlb.com/news/d-backs-announcers-call-manny-machado-bush-league

In this case, I don't agree ... but I don't dispute that Manny's past has some ... questionable ... behavior.

Bob Brenly is "bush league."  That is the same term he used toward Ben Davis when, several years ago, he had the gall to bunt for a base hit in the 9th inning of a close game which broke up a D-backs no-hit bid.  I guess the bush league has many affiliates.

That said, in the moment the placement of the bat by MM did cause raised eyebrows for me.

Just to metion, I believe the Davis bunt was in the 7th inning which I dont have a problem with since it was a 1-0 game and he was trying to get on base to disrupt the timing of a SP that was locked in at the time. IMO if it was the 9th inning, then it is bush league because at that time you are really trying to break up the no hitter in a way that is not the norm for a guy like Davis that had probably never laid down a bunt for a base hit since LL. And with all that being said, Brenly is horrible and I cant believe that he has a job. He is a two bit catcher that his only claim to fame is riding two of the best SPs of the 90s-2000s era to a WS win. My mom could have won the WS with that team.

Quote from BoosterSD on April 4, 2019, 5:57 pm
Quote from Commie on April 4, 2019, 2:10 pm
Quote from LynchMob on April 4, 2019, 11:52 am

Because of the kicking-Aguilar incident (and others?), Manny is going to get reactions like this for the rest of his career ...

https://www.mlb.com/news/d-backs-announcers-call-manny-machado-bush-league

In this case, I don't agree ... but I don't dispute that Manny's past has some ... questionable ... behavior.

Bob Brenly is "bush league."  That is the same term he used toward Ben Davis when, several years ago, he had the gall to bunt for a base hit in the 9th inning of a close game which broke up a D-backs no-hit bid.  I guess the bush league has many affiliates.

That said, in the moment the placement of the bat by MM did cause raised eyebrows for me.

Just to metion, I believe the Davis bunt was in the 7th inning which I dont have a problem with since it was a 1-0 game and he was trying to get on base to disrupt the timing of a SP that was locked in at the time. IMO if it was the 9th inning, then it is bush league because at that time you are really trying to break up the no hitter in a way that is not the norm for a guy like Davis that had probably never laid down a bunt for a base hit since LL. And with all that being said, Brenly is horrible and I cant believe that he has a job. He is a two bit catcher that his only claim to fame is riding two of the best SPs of the 90s-2000s era to a WS win. My mom could have won the WS with that team.

We are both wrong. 2001 Curt Schilling perfect game bid in the eighth inning of a two run game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFL5O0zPnxs

Heres a link to some classic Machado defensive gems.

All I can say is Arenado better start hitting or his run of Gold Gloves in the NL will be over!

 

I just saw/read this comment ...

"his lifetime OPS away from Camden Yards is less than .800"

I've not confirmed this ... just shocking to see / think about 🙁

Quote from LynchMob on January 9, 2020, 4:13 pm

I just saw/read this comment ...

"his lifetime OPS away from Camden Yards is less than .800"

I've not confirmed this ... just shocking to see / think about 🙁

Yep, that is correct. Worse at PETCO in 2019 his OPS was only .703.

However, in a reversal of form ... his AWAY OPS in 2019 was a lofty .882.

If you really want to worry ... consider a merge of his career AWAY OPS and his 2019 PETCO OPS. He becomes an “average” hitter for $30MM / year for the next 9 years.

 

Quote from fenn68 on January 9, 2020, 4:53 pm
Quote from LynchMob on January 9, 2020, 4:13 pm

I just saw/read this comment ...

"his lifetime OPS away from Camden Yards is less than .800"

I've not confirmed this ... just shocking to see / think about 🙁

Yep, that is correct. Worse at PETCO in 2019 his OPS was only .703.

However, in a reversal of form ... his AWAY OPS in 2019 was a lofty .882.

If you really want to worry ... consider a merge of his career AWAY OPS and his 2019 PETCO OPS. He becomes an “average” hitter for $30MM / year for the next 9 years.

 

Generally, why would anyone want to worry?

He is entering his prime, has had a year to acclimate, has buddies from BAL on the coaching staff now, and will have a better team around him.  Not worried.

In what was considered a “down” year for Machado, I saw somewhere perhaps on twitter (so take it for a grain of salt) that his performance last year was worth something like 24 mil. While less than the 30 we paid him not far off from the contract value. And again he had a down year. Excited to what he brings this next season

I’m expecting a BIG year from Manny in 2020. I think he comes through this year and gives us a 280 BA, 360 OBP, 38 Hrs, 120 RBIs with top notch D.

While I don't expect Machado to be "bad", not so sure he will meet the lofty expectations that comes with this history / "image".

His 3 WAR can be argued was worth that $24MM but that 3 WAR is only 16th among 3B in 2019. (17th wRC+ / 9th dWAR).

Looking at OPS his 2019 was .796 vs. CAREER of .818 .. not that much below. A lot of his historic WAR was based on dWAR ... which slipped in 2019.

What is a head scratcher is his AWAY OPS in 2019 (.882) vs. CAREER (.778) .... a big reversal of form while going to a new league. Less surprising is the HOME at PETCO (.703) vs CAREER based in hitter friendly Camden Yards.

Machado is only 27 so who knows his trajectory ... expect the HRs in the high 30s but based on his history not seeing as that mega offensive piece (OPS / wRC+) going forward ... better than average but not "elite".

Keep an eye out on his defense ... past 3 seasons have been significantly lower (dWAR) than his early years .... and that dWAR is what elevated is overall WAR into the 6 range (and that is what most "expected" for a 10 year / $300MM commitment). If his dWAR does not rebound, we have a 3 WAR type ... that is OK but not "All-Star" quality for a 3B.