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Jorge Mateo traded to Padres
#11 · July 1, 2020, 11:45 am
In SDUT: The player the Padres are sending to Oakland is not part of their 60-man player pool, meaning he had to be listed as a player to be named later. The PTBNL is not expected to be determined until after the season.
Seems like an advantageous loophole Preller unsurprisingly was first to exploit. I think the teams that completely filled their 60-man pools will quickly regret it; there's really no point in "committing" the last 5 or so spots, since players NOT in the pool are still "controlled" by the MLB team. Don't think there's a rule that the 60-man "locks in" on Opening Day; if spots open, could still be filled into regular season. Not sure about PTBNL "window"... seems like that could also roll into regular season?
Re: Mateo, he's exactly the type of guy (similar to, but much > sheer physical ability wise and 3 years younger than, Breyvic Valera) who WOULD get claimed if DFA'd before season starts with every team (including Oakland) now able to start season with +4 guys Active MLB. Like Valera, it's much more likely he MIGHT get through Waivers as teams are cutting from 30 to 28, then 28 to 26, since he is also out of options; a team that claimed him would have to move 3 guys instead of 2 off their Active roster to create a spot for him.
Oakland has had him for years, and may just feel like he's never going to develop/didn't like what they saw in "S.T. I", but he WAS #7-8 prospect in their Middle of Road system, #13 by MLB.com in our top 3 system. I'd lower to maybe #15 -16 range in ours, but no lower than that. So Mateo is STILL a top 10 prospect for 15-20 teams in the league, and "fits" ALL teams better this season with the short season, expanded rosters, and new rules... I'm thinking the trade cost might be higher than others have mentioned; perhaps an upcoming 40-man roster squeeze guy with our huge # of guys going to be Rule 5 eligible like: Hudson Potts, Jeisson Rosario,or (hopefully not) Tirso Ornelas.
#12 · July 1, 2020, 12:33 pm
The way I am now interpreting the past reports ... when the 60 is "final" (opening day?) moves are limited to those players ... so that seems to end the PTNL option.
Clearer why teams were not filling up the 60 from the get go .... beyond trades, still some FA out there to sign, and the waiver wire may yield an out of option that may be an upgrade. Seems as the "final" date approaches we may see some other adds ... marginal but still cheap insurance in 2020.
Padres still have a window to add non-prospect buffer to keep from having to tap the prospects in 2020 ... still some RP options in the system and even another catching body. Only reason to leave some spots open is if a team believes during the cut downs to 26 ... a waiver claim may surface.
#13 · July 1, 2020, 1:07 pm
Quote from fenn68 on July 1, 2020, 12:33 pmThe way I am now interpreting the past reports ... when the 60 is "final" (opening day?) moves are limited to those players ... so that seems to end the PTNL option.
Clearer why teams were not filling up the 60 from the get go .... beyond trades, still some FA out there to sign, and the waiver wire may yield an out of option that may be an upgrade. Seems as the "final" date approaches we may see some other adds ... marginal but still cheap insurance in 2020.
Padres still have a window to add non-prospect buffer to keep from having to tap the prospects in 2020 ... still some RP options in the system and even another catching body. Only reason to leave some spots open is if a team believes during the cut downs to 26 ... a waiver claim may surface.
Many other reasons: just don't know where the "depth" need is going to crop up with Covid. More random than injuries which are typically more P's. I just don't think there is a "drop dead" date on the 60-man; once you've added a guy, you can't remove him without exposing to other teams, but don't think "have to" fill all 60 spots by Opening Day or any other deadline. It's up to the team.
Padres strategy has some risk, but it's calculated. 54 spots filled. About 9 are "no-way MLB". Even though there's "only" 45 guys competing for 30 spots initially, about 23 of the spots are pretty locked in. A few RP , 2B, INF bench, and maybe 1-2 last players are what's TBD. So "really" about 22 +/- guys competing for the last 7 spots on the initial 30-man roster. That leaves 15 guys for depth as needed; then +2 players at each move down to 28 & 26. Clearly enough to handle even significant amount of Covid or other IL. Padres bigger problem is the tight 40-man, but that existed heading into a full length season in March.
#14 · July 8, 2020, 6:40 am
Anyone know if Mateo is there with the team yet?
#15 · July 8, 2020, 2:42 pm
Quote from Brian Connelly on July 8, 2020, 6:40 amAnyone know if Mateo is there with the team yet?
He tested positive and has symptoms.
#16 · August 13, 2020, 3:10 pm
Looking closer at his stats he has averaged “16” triples over the last 3 season in the minors!
SIXTEEN!
The most exciting play in baseball.
‘This kid just needs to be able to make consistent contact and his legs will do the rest.
On the other side of the coin he has also averaged about a 4:1 K to BB ratio.
#17 · August 14, 2020, 3:18 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on August 13, 2020, 3:10 pmLooking closer at his stats he has averaged “16” triples over the last 3 season in the minors!
SIXTEEN!
The most exciting play in baseball.
‘This kid just needs to be able to make consistent contact and his legs will do the rest.On the other side of the coin he has also averaged about a 4:1 K to BB ratio.
That is ludicrous! Basically "turning" every 1 of every 3 2B in AAA into a 3B... MLB OF more elite with better arms, but most of the Fields are bigger in MLB than PCL too I assume? I wonder if ANY other Minor leaguer has ever averaged 15+ 3B over 3 years? Potential game altering tool & talent...
... but the K rate & low BB rate are huge red flags. 25 Avg SB/yr 2 full years in AAA good, but not the eye popping 50-80/yr @ lower levels with less experienced P & C's. It drives me C-R-A-Z-Y when guys with elite speed don't have the patience/eye to walk.
He may be limited this year to OF / PR with presence of Profar & Garcia, but very possible Profar replacement for 10x less $$ next year. Last 2 years he did hit LHP significantly better... but so did Cronenworth last year (Reverse splits)! So not that much need to platoon Cronenworth maybe, but he could fill the short side of that platoon!
#18 · August 14, 2020, 3:40 pm
Good chance next year Mateo is the 13th position player ... but that is good from a team perspective using him both in the INF and OF ... speed / defense for situational needs and thus allowing the other bench slots to be filled with more strategic options ... maybe more one dimensional specialist types.
Profar’s current salary (combined with low productivity) would suggest he goes to FA IF Cronenworth does not fade the rest of this season. Probably France returns for the back-up role. However, would not rule out his return as a utility type (if the accepts a lower contract). That would just give the Padres a greater ability to use the final two bench spots to upgrade DH with defensively challenged options who really can hit. (A JD Martinez / Cruz type)
Padres do like Profar and heard that Oakland also liked him for his attitude and versatility ... really that bench profile. His contact and being a starter in OAK did not seem to fit.
#19 · July 11, 2021, 12:05 pm
From today's DFR ...
Robbie Podorsky kickstarted the offense in the sixth with a leadoff triple, coming around to score on an infield single by Matt Batten. Speed is Podorsky’s loudest tool, and while he has similar career numbers to current Padres bench piece Jorge Mateo (very close in career OPS and walk rate), he strikes out at a much lower clip (9.8% to Mateo’s 23%), and could be an intriguing solution should the Padres lose patience with Mateo. In 11 games with El Paso, Podorsky is slashing .303/.351/.545