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Jorge Mateo traded to Padres

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For a PTNL apparently.

to 60 pool ... 40 man roster ... and potentially that speed for late innings?

Out of minor league options ... so some interesting impact on the INF bench. Zero MLB time ... but a perennial prospect due to elite speed.

At 25 still held #7 on Oakland’s Top 30.

Scouting had him elite speed ... plus arm and plus defense.

Hitting and defense can be inconsistent. Historically a SS but Oakland started using him in CF and 2B and that may be the versatility that makes him a compelling back-up for the Padres.

PTNL is always an non-roster type and not likely one from the initial 52 list (he is not worth that) with no ML time and out of options. Probably a “second tier” prospect such as Nix.

Has speed that none of the other potential realistic back-up infielders in 2020 have but hit issues are similar to Gettys.  Surprised that he was still in Oakland's top 10 and certainly would not be in Padres' top 10.  Wouldn't mind giving up Nix, one of the many 3rd tier relievers on the roster or in the deep system, or even someone like Ona, who doesn't seem to have a future with the team.

Not a big move but does give some flexibility when constructing the initial 30 man roster and does provide some level of protection against ST2 injuries.

Might allow for optioning someone early in the season to get better reps at the alternate site rather than being second tier with the ML club and losing time traveling. Expect the starters will get the bulk of the reps early just to catch-up due to the short ST.

Considering the DH (not a lot of need for PH) and the likelihood that most of the starters will play every day ... the bench construction may just be different than normal.

 

Bit surprised but MLBPipeline dropped Mateo into the #13 prospect slot for the Padres. Seems high for a 25 year old "fading" upside guy that has hitting issues.

Guess it is just hard for them to totally give up on a player that they had in their Top 100 for 3 straight years (2015-16-17).

Quote from fenn68 on June 30, 2020, 3:58 pm

At 25 still held #7 on Oakland’s Top 30.

Scouting had him elite speed ... plus arm and plus defense.

Hitting and defense can be inconsistent. Historically a SS but Oakland started using him in CF and 2B and that may be the versatility that makes him a compelling back-up for the Padres.

PTNL is always an non-roster type and not likely one from the initial 52 list (he is not worth that) with no ML time and out of options. Probably a “second tier” prospect such as Nix.

Gotta love Preller making the first trade!  But I thought trades this season strictly, specifically HAD to be only guys from your 60 man pool (and have to be added to your pool when you obtain them; by both teams).   Seems like if PTBNL's were allowed, teams could just do that all season long and essentially bypass the rule... i.e. Lindor gets traded for a top prospect in a team's pool.... and 3 "PTBNL" (i.e. lower level prospects not in a team's pool; who don't miss Minors season before you get them b/c there is no Minors season)...

2 other possibilities:  1)  Pads "add" a lesser prospect not originally intended for their 60-man pool to the pool, and immediately trade him to A's.  That probably is allowed, and a benefit of keeping some slots open; particularly with our deep system  OR 2)  Just trade for Cash which might make sense... it is Oakland.

MLB.com just slotted him #13 in OUR system.  Even with no options, has a lot of value in a season like this, and potentially beyond if he's a better defender at 2B than any of our other current options - which is highly likely.  He might cost "more" than we think.

Quote from Randy Manese on June 30, 2020, 5:04 pm

Has speed that none of the other potential realistic back-up infielders in 2020 have but hit issues are similar to Gettys.  Surprised that he was still in Oakland's top 10 and certainly would not be in Padres' top 10.  Wouldn't mind giving up Nix, one of the many 3rd tier relievers on the roster or in the deep system, or even someone like Ona, who doesn't seem to have a future with the team.

He could fit that role I suggested Gettys could; almost no AB, but frequent play as a defensive sub & PR.  With 80 speed, don't see how he could be worse defensively at 2B than Garcia, Dozier (below avg defense last 3 years), or Profar (throwing issues).  It's a little out there, but with his speed & arm, would he be a WORSE CF than Trent Grisham currently is?

BA 2020 had him #8 prospect for A's.   "Mateo remains a head scratcher who flashes big tools but struggles to produce consistently.   .... took encouraging steps in 2019, but suffered a massive 2nd 1/2 dropoff.  Most evaluators see .250 with 15 HR as best possible outcome. "

In 2018 FWIW BA had him #3 for A's mediocre system with:  Hit -50 (must be 45 at best now), Power - 45, Speed-80, Field-50, Arm-55

I guess we are learning the rules as we go.

I seems as though until the “60 pool” is FINAL (guessing that is just before opening day) players can be added and players not in the pool can be traded. Last Sunday’s list was the INITIAL list and most of us missed that difference.

So apparently there now is a 3 week window to add to the 60 with the entire system available for deals.

I don’t expect Mateo will cost much and “CASH CONSIDERATIONS” is a realistic option. 25, no ML experience, no minor league options, not projected as much of a hitter all weight down his trade value which, if there any other suitors, is a useful bench player (maybe).

However, it is a gamble I like given the DH and 26 man roster making a versatile option to back-up SS/2B/CF with decent defense and pinch running abilities justified. Will allow a different construction of the remaining bench options. The fact that Mateo is a plus defensive SS is important given Tatis has not made it through the last two seasons without injuries and the Padres may have a body to move to SS but none really a ML SS. At last Mateo gives them a defensive oriented option.

Preller has like Mateo since he was a NYY so not a surprising target. Plus, Mateo has 6 full control years and if the Padres don’t resign Profar (expensive), release Garcia (FA after 2021), release Valera (filler) after this season .... he is pretty good back-up material in competition with Cronenworth, France, Miller battling for the 2B/2 backup slots.

When the roster gets down to 26 eventually, I like the combination of Jake Croneworth (L) and Jorge Mateo (R) as super utility infield/outfield guys. Plus, the excitement of Mateo as a DR (Designated Runner) for extra inning games, and defensive a replacement for late in the game. I think Garcia and Valera are kept around merely for injuries or Covid19 emergencies.

Quote from hoffy51 on July 1, 2020, 7:10 am

When the roster gets down to 26 eventually, I like the combination of Jake Croneworth (L) and Jorge Mateo (R) as super utility infield/outfield guys. Plus, the excitement of Mateo as a DR (Designated Runner) for extra inning games, and defensive a replacement for late in the game. I think Garcia and Valera are kept around merely for injuries or Covid19 emergencies.

Don't forget you can use a Designated Runner in the other games too.:)

 

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