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#341 · August 17, 2022, 5:44 pm
Quote from fenn68 on August 17, 2022, 4:41 pmYou do know that the Padres did stop the Tatis bobblehead night in Sept and replaced with with a Soto city connect jersey night.
Padres are apparently already making the marketing moves to ghost Tatis for as long as necessary. That was clearly a no brainer.
I will be interesting to see what the Padres demand from Tatis between now and ST as to rehab, training, drug testing (within the MLB rules).
I do think they need to think about what is best for the Padres winning first ... and that is getting maximum value from Tatis and not focusing on the punitive side (don't discount it just don't let that send them down a rabbit hole). Can't let Tatis off the hook and can't shoot yourself in the foot ... walking the line to get this right.
I know I am in the minority but riding the motorcycle (or maybe it was an ATV in some reports) but the follow-up actions / lack of actions and cover-up that is the concern. In the DR ... motorcycles, scooters, et. al are normal, common ... not something out of the norm. Hard to find any young athlete (big contract or not) that does not engage in activities that may result in injury. (does Donavan Tate come to mind)
As in most cases, it is the denial, lying, cover-up that takes a bad situation and makes it really bad.
I agree Fenn. Not telling anyone about the accident and not getting it treated immediately are the main problems. That was just immature and stupid. I do want to know if there are any restrictions on motorcycles in his contract. I realize that most people in the DR use them to get around. Most people in the DR aren't millionaires however. He has enough money for a driver. If a restriction against cycles is in there and he just ignored it, that would be worse.
Tatis is still very young and he has already made several huge mistakes with his career. HUGE. Tatis will never be in the Hall of Fame. Even if Tatis hits 700 Home Runs he will never even sniff the Hall. Everything he does and has ever done in MLB will be questioned now. He was a 23 year old superstar. He is now a 23 year old PED user. I don't see any more commercials in his future. Does he realize that?
As far as I can see Tatis has yet to face consequences for anything he has done. He needs to.
#342 · August 18, 2022, 12:13 pm
Dennis Lin
Fernando Tatis Jr. was previously expected to be at Petco Park today. That now sounds unlikely, and it is unclear when Tatis will be at the ballpark. It's still expected that Tatis will meet with A.J. Preller and Peter Seidler in the near future.
#343 · August 18, 2022, 12:15 pm
Dennis Lin
Tatis and Preller have spoken since the suspension announcement, according to sources. But still TBD on the timing of in-person meetings with Preller, Seidler and the team, as well as when Tatis will be at Petco Park.
#344 · August 18, 2022, 2:10 pm
OMG! Both Tatis and his father need to learn to STFU! Now Tatis is going from league to league in the DR telling all of the children there his BS story. "It has no testosterone in it." It is a freakin derivative of testosterone! Just like every steroid other than testosterone. Just straight out knowingly lying to the whole world just makes them look far worse.
#345 · August 18, 2022, 2:45 pm
Quote from JasonE135 on August 18, 2022, 2:10 pmOMG! Both Tatis and his father need to learn to STFU! Now Tatis is going from league to league in the DR telling all of the children there his BS story. "It has no testosterone in it." It is a freakin derivative of testosterone! Just like every steroid other than testosterone. Just straight out knowingly lying to the whole world just makes them look far worse.
To be fair, we still don't know all the facts. As hugely disappointing as this has been, there as still many outstanding questions regarding his test results and how he handles it moving forward. What we know:
- Fernando tested positive for Clostebol, a banned substance that he could have and should have known not to put on or in his body;
- We don't know the details of his positive test (aka how much was in his system);
- Fernando claims the positive test resulted from his use of a topical steroid to treat some kind of skin infection;
- While Clostebol is not permitted by the FDA for use in medications here in the US, it is used in medications around the world, including Trofodermin;
- Trofodermin is available in the Dominican Republic;
- Players from the Dominican Republic also represent an outsized proportion of players receiving suspensions over the last few years. Of the last 20 players to receive suspensions, 16 have been from the DR.
Given these facts, it's absolutely possible that he inadvertently introduced Clostebol into his system. It's also possible that he purposefully juiced. We just don't know enough to say one way or the other.
That said, we all, as a fan base, deserve an earnest and direct discussion on this from Tatis. I really wish he'd confront this head on with some sort of in depth apology and, possibly, a Q&A. He has a chance, at this early stage in his career, to define this immensely disappointing chapter by the way he responds to it rather than by the mistakes he's made. If he can navigate his apology and engage his fans with grace, honesty, and dignity, he may yet be able to recapture some of San Diego's faith and trust. Either way, he has a LONG road ahead of him toward redemption... but engaging with his fans would be a nice start.
#346 · August 18, 2022, 4:41 pm
I have to admit that I don’t know the MLB-MLBPA agreement on PED protocols and who can say what … plus how HIPAA factors in.
Maybe I missed it but the press release came from the MLBPA on behalf of Tatis … don’t recall seeing a release from MLB. Every report seems to support that the Padres had no idea until last Friday when a representative of Tatis called Preller.
Apparently no one can (or wants to) lay out the timeline and specifics … maybe that is part of the rules. Been a week since the announcement … a long time elapsed to just report specifics of when Tatis was tested and when he was aware he failed a test.
What is beginning to concern me (along with the other stuff) is that apparently Tatis has zero desire to communicate with Preller (or the Padres) … clearly not when he found out, not when he bolted from SA last Friday, not making an effort to meet quickly to address this, not today as initially report, and maybe sometime later. I would think as an employee who screwed up, clearing the air with you boss would be a priority … apparently not with Tatis. More arrogance?
Also, notice none of the Padres really came out to support him … and for some a bit of the opposite. I recall when Chargers Gates and Merriman had their suspension issues teammates supported them (even if just lip service). Could be his attitude is not loved by this teammates?
As much as I dislike saying that if Tatis hits he will be re-embraced by the fans and the media quickly (as was Cruz, et al) … but the potential “character” issues may become the lasting problem … then again that did not stop Barry Bonds (total jerk) or Cora / Hinch (cheating). I guess if Tatis keeps cool and hits … he will again be a national star (albeit a bit less shiny)
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#347 · August 18, 2022, 4:51 pm
Quote from sportwarrior on August 18, 2022, 2:45 pmQuote from JasonE135 on August 18, 2022, 2:10 pmOMG! Both Tatis and his father need to learn to STFU! Now Tatis is going from league to league in the DR telling all of the children there his BS story. "It has no testosterone in it." It is a freakin derivative of testosterone! Just like every steroid other than testosterone. Just straight out knowingly lying to the whole world just makes them look far worse.
To be fair, we still don't know all the facts. As hugely disappointing as this has been, there as still many outstanding questions regarding his test results and how he handles it moving forward. What we know:
- Fernando tested positive for Clostebol, a banned substance that he could have and should have known not to put on or in his body;
- We don't know the details of his positive test (aka how much was in his system);
- Fernando claims the positive test resulted from his use of a topical steroid to treat some kind of skin infection;
- While Clostebol is not permitted by the FDA for use in medications here in the US, it is used in medications around the world, including Trofodermin;
- Trofodermin is available in the Dominican Republic;
- Players from the Dominican Republic also represent an outsized proportion of players receiving suspensions over the last few years. Of the last 20 players to receive suspensions, 16 have been from the DR.
Given these facts, it's absolutely possible that he inadvertently introduced Clostebol into his system. It's also possible that he purposefully juiced. We just don't know enough to say one way or the other.
That said, we all, as a fan base, deserve an earnest and direct discussion on this from Tatis. I really wish he'd confront this head on with some sort of in depth apology and, possibly, a Q&A. He has a chance, at this early stage in his career, to define this immensely disappointing chapter by the way he responds to it rather than by the mistakes he's made. If he can navigate his apology and engage his fans with grace, honesty, and dignity, he may yet be able to recapture some of San Diego's faith and trust. Either way, he has a LONG road ahead of him toward redemption... but engaging with his fans would be a nice start.
Clostebol is a banned substance. Whether he took it intentionally we will never know. He will deny it for the rest of his life most likely. Is it POSSIBLE he took it accidentally? Sure. I don't care. Every single player who makes it to MLB is given a list of acceptable medication for every health problem. I know Trofodermin is legal in the DR. I know there are also numerous LEGAL options available in the DR. If he is too lazy to check whether what he is putting is his body is against the rules of his job, that's on him. It's still his fault.
As you said, he needs to come out and admit that he f'ed up, apologize and start acting like a grown-up. Having his dad make excuses for him and saying nothing to the millions of fans who pay his salary is not a grown-up response. If he keeps acting like a child he should be treated like a child.
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#348 · August 18, 2022, 5:34 pm
As angry as I am at the situation it is also completely plausible he is telling the truth. There would be other medical tells that he is a roider that would be evident. I think we would all give him the benefit of the doubt if he just manned up and took his lumps. He also needs to drop the prima donna act. He lost his innocence to play the spoiled brat role. It's time to grow up. As Jason mentioned, nobody on the team has really came to his defense. It has been the opposite. He has a long rehab road to travel in the locker room and the fans.
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#349 · August 18, 2022, 8:41 pm
I honestly have no clue if Tatis took this stuff on purpose or not. From what I have read Clostebol is actually a weak steroid. If Tatis was purposely taking steroids I would think he would buy strong, top quality stuff as opposed to crap, especially considering he is a millionaire. Then again Clostebol has almost no side effects so it is safe.
A fungal infection from a haircut and Trofobol for ringworm seems like a stretch. I mean, I have never gotten a fungal infection or ringworm from a haircut and don't know anyone who has. Then again I don't know anyone living in the DR.
He could have done it on purpose or it could have been an accident. I really don't know.
#350 · August 19, 2022, 9:40 am
Heard a report (second hand) that Jon Heyman is tweeting that Tatis failed the drug test 2 weeks ago ... that actually makes more sense than any of the bizarre scenarios being tossed out.
Tatis had previously said he passed a drug test in March (ST). So the conclusion is that he took the Clostebol somewhere between those two testing points (just don't know when, how often exposed, or the duration it stays in the system).
Also supports the position that the Padres / Preller knew zip until last Friday after Tatis decided to not appeal.