Quote from Ben Davey on April 8, 2018, 2:27 pm

It was not a good series.  Offense was non existent.  Yes the Astros pitchers are good, but we missed Verlander, and had great pitching ourselves.  In a bandbox like Hou, you have to try and get the ball in the air.

Quote from WindsorUK on April 8, 2018, 4:24 pm

Green is acting like Bud, moving players up and down, and in and out of the lineup.

Stick to one lineup for at least a month. He should know these guys well enough by now.

 

Quote from MrPadre19 on April 8, 2018, 4:38 pm

The 1-0 loss was especially frustrating.

I can not stand to see ML baseball players pointing into the sky like they see Superman flying over.

Pretty sure “everyone” knows where the ball is.

The pitcher had the best play on that pop up but........he’s a pitcher.

Ellis had the next best AND Catchers practice pop ups thousands of times......but he was too busy pointing at it to attempt to catch it.

Hosmer had to run about 70 feet to the ball....should have made the catch......but it was not easy.

 

Quote from 84padres on April 8, 2018, 7:35 pm

!st time I've ever srrn a walkoff popup. The defense is an issue already,  2 9th inning and a 10th inning loss due to errors. They must fix this and things will be a little better

Quote from Fred on April 9, 2018, 3:21 am

Quote from David Nevin on April 8, 2018, 4:38 pm

The 1-0 loss was especially frustrating.

I can not stand to see ML baseball players pointing into the sky like they see Superman flying over.

Pretty sure “everyone” knows where the ball is.

The pitcher had the best play on that pop up but........he’s a pitcher.

Ellis had the next best AND Catchers practice pop ups thousands of times......but he was too busy pointing at it to attempt to catch it.

Hosmer had to run about 70 feet to the ball....should have made the catch......but it was not easy.

 

That was a tough way to lose. No doubt. But it was a perfect pop up by Bregman because too many players could have fielded it.  Everyone thought the next guy would get it. Nope.

Quote from David Jay on April 9, 2018, 7:06 am

Quote from WindsorUK on April 8, 2018, 4:24 pm

Green is acting like Bud, moving players up and down, and in and out of the lineup.

Stick to one lineup for at least a month. He should know these guys well enough by now.

 

Can you give me an example of a team that has gone even one week with anything like the same lineup every day?

Quote from fenn68 on April 9, 2018, 7:51 am

Expect the trend of juggling the line-ups ... in - out, up - down ... to continue across MLB given the massive growth in "stats guys" in the front offices and managers in-tune with those front office guys. (note Gabe Kapler and his use of the bullpen and starting pitchers). The world of saber-metrics has made the idea of statistically justified match-ups the strategy for winning (at least in theory).

Since every team has its own proprietary menu of relevant stats and uses them based on their own views ... likely the poor fans will just be mystified as to why any one line-up exists. Since all teams are going that route ... not all that sure any team really gets an advantage except for the logic that bases winning on the better front office and their stat models. MLB needs to create an award for the MVSD (most valuable statistical department) since that is becoming the cornerstone of winning and just eliminate the MVP, Cy Young, etc.

I am old school but the era of fixed line-ups, starting pitchers going deep into games has joined the dead ball era of baseball ... sadly for me.

Quote from David Jay on April 9, 2018, 9:24 am

Fenn, I appreciate the perspective, but it really doesn't hold up all that much.

Go back and look at the day-to-day lineups of a couple of the most dominant teams of the last 30 years, all with OOOOLLLLLDDDDD school managers:

The 1984 Tigers, led by noted stat-head Sparky Anderson, used 93 different lineups on the way to steamrolling the Padres in the WS.

The 98 Yankees had four guys you'd count as absolute daily locks in the lineup - all of whom started 149 games or more. Joe Torre used 82 different lineups on his way to steamrolling the Padres in the WS. (And while we can all recite the Padres' lineup from that year, the one we remember was one of 93 different configurations and used essentially once a week.)

The 2001 Mariners, (the 116 win club which had four different guys start at least 150 games and was managed by Lou Pinella) ran out 84 different lineups.

 

Quote from fenn68 on April 9, 2018, 12:17 pm

If you consider the full batting order, Detroit in 1984 had 124 different line-ups (both mix and match players and batting order). Some of that was the causes that have been around for some time such as platooning, injuries, rest, and some players just under performing and a lot was Anderson .. but more the exception than the rule in MLB. The number of different line-ups by itself can be misleading unless the nature of the changes are understood. Even with Anderson you could expect Whitaker and Trammel to be #1, #2, and Parrish #4 unless getting a rest or injured. Throw in Gibson at #3 normally when healthy. #5 thru #9 was a mix and match for a variety of reasons. So even Anderson blended stable with movement and the drivers can be debated. Just for reference in 1984 the Padres deployed 67 different line-ups (excluding pitchers) with a pretty stable set of players owning their spots in the batting order. In 2017 the Padres deployed 138 different line-ups (excluding pitchers) ... only 2 players showed up in the same spot in the batting order over 100 times (Margot 105 at #1 and Myers 104 at #3) then drops to Solarte with 81 appearances at #4. So, while Anderson won with 124 different line-ups spinning off the stability of Whitaker, Trammel, Gibson, and Parrish ... Green lost with 138 different line-ups and no player stability.

I guess someone could (not me) do a more complete analysis of the number of different line-ups in MLB over time but (with exceptions noted) the global trend seems up to me. Can a team win with a lot of multiple line-ups ... yes. Can a team lose with a lot of multiple line-ups ... yes. My guess that just "normal events" will generate multiple line-ups in the 70ish range so not irked by that level.

I guess if this trend led to winning ... fine but with most teams going this way ... there will be still the same number of winners and losers and what is gained? Except for the more analytical fans ... not sure that this does much for the fan to player to team connection (if that is important). The trend is not going to reverse ... so will have to live with it. Of course it might be helpful it Green had better players.