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#41 · September 26, 2022, 12:30 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on September 26, 2022, 12:00 pmI get that playing Tatis in the OF may end up being the play but why LF over RF?
Because Soto is already in RF?
Tatis has twice the arm as Soto so I would think we would want him in RF......no?
Everyone keeps saying LF but I just don't see why.
To answer another question first, Soto has played 593 games in the OF. 293 in RF and 300 in LF. So now, when it comes to placing Tatis in the OF, it boils down to a couple of things. Maybe, if Soto's bat is better when he plays LF, and if he prefers LF, then you put him in LF. If the batting numbers are similar, and he personally does not have a preference, then I lean towards keeping Soto in RF, and placing Tatis in LF.
This is my reasoning. RF is harder, and especially in Petco with the RF porch that cuts into the field. Second, IMO, it would be easier for Tatis to transition to LF, since the ball off the bat will spin and move the same as they do at SS, instead of being the opposite direction it would be for Tatis in RF. I get that Tatis has the better arm, and that is usually your RFer, however, ease of transition for me is Tatis in LF.
There are a couple of people on hear that say CF is the easiest of all to learn, straighter ball flights and all, but do you really want to shuffle all of the OFers next season, in season. Seems to me to keep it simple, start the season with either Profar/Azocar/Myers(?) in LF, Grisham/Azocar in CF, and Soto in RF. Then when Tatis returns, he takes LF, platoon Azocar/Grisham in CF, and Soto in RF, and Profar becomes what he is supposed to be, the 6 day a week super sub.
#42 · September 26, 2022, 12:42 pm
Quote from Henry Silvestre on September 26, 2022, 11:15 amQuote from fenn68 on September 26, 2022, 10:39 amQuote from Henry Silvestre on September 26, 2022, 8:04 amQuote from fenn68 on September 26, 2022, 7:01 amWould just let Manaea move on but Clevinger is a tough call.
Love the idea of the “good” Clevinger but worry as a 32 year old next season coming off a 2nd TJ (maybe not the same recovery profile) with a knee issue and a long history of different injuries that he will never be that “good” Clevinger again.
I suspect it boils down to the contact. Padres have the need and seem to like Clevinger but hard pressed to see a multi-year offer given his underwhelming 2022 performance and injury history. Maybe a one year deal with incentives (starts?) and vesting option? Doubt Clevinger gives a “discount” but in a competitive offer might opt to stick the known environment. If the Padres did not need 2 SP I would not take the risk (for the likely contract level) but a bit trapped.
Looking at trade chips that might net us a #4-#5 type or a AA/AAA SP in the Groome mold
Rosario/Liberato/Kohlwey/Batten/Alfaro/ come to mind in different values..perhaps a 2 or 3 for 1 type
P wise we are in a lot better place.. we have a ton of BP arms under control for a long time and could use 2 or 3 perhaps with one of the players above to go get that arm
We see the Padres' minor leaguers differently. I have zero trade value for Liberato, Kohlwey, Batten (every team has similar bodies destined for the minors), zero trade value for Alfaro who will be in the $3MM range / 1 year control and has had a horrible 2nd half with nearly a 50% rate (likely to be non-tendered), only Rosario might generate some trade value but not to the level of someone projected to be a bottom of the rotation SP in 2023.
I dont know ..Alfaro pop rate is elite ..his C is on the above avg side and he has power..clutch power too..a team like the Indians would benefit a great deal and Alfaro could easily start for the Mets.. I never said Batten and Kowley had much trade value ..but do think they can be 3rd or final add in a 3 or 4 player to X team type trade..a good scout would note that Alfaro played hurt most of the 2nd half and would be looking at 1st half..also if not for his Petco splits ..Alfaro would be a near .800 OPS C a rare breed .. he would be a Monster at Fenway or Cinci..
? Has Campy shown enough in his limited last month that if we signed a Contreras (or trade for a Stephenson) that he can be a very valuable chip (just a notch or 2 below a Merrill) for a specific add..be it a CFer..a SLG 1B or even Josh Naylor
Considering MIA traded Alfaro to the Padres for "cash considerations" and now he is more expensive and one less control year ... not seeing him having built more trade value.
Don't see them spending major money on adding a catcher (need to spend elsewhere if they spend) and they are making the playoffs with Nola / Alfaro. Campusano is the wild card for two roles. Has he developed enough as a catcher to hold the #2 catcher role? Is his bat strong enough to contribute as a DH (or 1B) even on a part-time basis? The answer to those question will impact the direction the Padres go with their money.
Don't rule out a trade for a catcher (probably from the RP as the basis of a deal). Maybe not a "star" but a stronger defensive option than Nola / Alfaro ... Melvin likes defense oriented catchers. Doubt they have the pieces to get Murphy from OAK BUT he is ideal given his defense / offense with 3 years control and low cost in ARB 1. It is OAK ... would the Padres consider Merrill in a deal? Would Morejon / Castillo / Baez / Wolf (some combo) appeal? OAK has top prospects ready to take the C slot so should be willing to deal for the future.
#43 · September 26, 2022, 1:06 pm
One option, could be to carry all 3 catchers next season, Campusano, Nola, and Alfaro. Each could get roughly 50 games a piece behind the plate, and then advantageous match up games at DH. Then instead of Campusano spending time at 1B (9 games total at 1B), and trying to learn 2 positions at the ML level, you could give some time to Nola at 1B (96 games at 1B), who is also older, with knee injuries, and a natural INF.
#44 · September 26, 2022, 1:13 pm
If they want Tatis in CF due to his speed and less chance of injury....fine.
But if he's in a corner I want his arm in RF.
Soto has played both....he can move to LF.
Personally I'm a believer that position,and spot in the order,has only a very small affect,if any,on a players ability to hit.
Especially defensively.
Once a player is in the batters box his ability to hit isn't affected by what position he played when on defense....IMO.
Where he hits in the order has some affect "if" he has moved a great deal in the order due to the difference in approach at the top,middle,or bottom but that's it IMO.
But when you see a hitter who hits .300 in the #2 spot and .200 in the #3 spot IMO that's just a coincidence or could only have to do with who is in the order right behind them.No professional hitter is going to be thinking "I'm hitting 3rd today not 2nd" and have it actually affect his production....that's a fallacy.
#45 · September 26, 2022, 1:15 pm
Quote from BoosterSD on September 26, 2022, 1:06 pmOne option, could be to carry all 3 catchers next season, Campusano, Nola, and Alfaro. Each could get roughly 50 games a piece behind the plate, and then advantageous match up games at DH. Then instead of Campusano spending time at 1B (9 games total at 1B), and trying to learn 2 positions at the ML level, you could give some time to Nola at 1B (96 games at 1B), who is also older, with knee injuries, and a natural INF.
Agree that option has a good chance of playing out.
IF the Padres end up with a full-time 1B, they might just rotate Nola - Campusano - Alfaro with C - DH - rest playing to the best match-ups.
#46 · September 26, 2022, 1:25 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on September 26, 2022, 1:13 pmIf they want Tatis in CF due to his speed and less chance of injury....fine.
But if he's in a corner I want his arm in RF.
Soto has played both....he can move to LF.
I just believe defensively it will be easier for Tatis to play LF than RF. Less errors or misplaced balls, that leads to less pitches thrown. Better overall to put Tatis in LF.
#47 · September 26, 2022, 1:34 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on September 26, 2022, 1:13 pmIf they want Tatis in CF due to his speed and less chance of injury....fine.
But if he's in a corner I want his arm in RF.
Soto has played both....he can move to LF.
Personally I'm a believer that position,and spot in the order,has only a very small affect,if any,on a players ability to hit.
Especially defensively.
Once a player is in the batters box his ability to hit isn't affected by what position he played when on defense....IMO.
Where he hits in the order has some affect "if" he has moved a great deal in the order due to the difference in approach at the top,middle,or bottom but that's it IMO.
But when you see a hitter who hits .300 in the #2 spot and .200 in the #3 spot IMO that's just a coincidence or could only have to do with who is in the order right behind them.No professional hitter is going to be thinking "I'm hitting 3rd today not 2nd" and have it actually affect his production....that's a fallacy.
Agree that where a player is in the field has little impact on his bat unless he is plopped in a position that he is really uncomfortable (and bad). That may play on his mindset. Don't think that would be an issue with either Soto or Tatis.
The big thing about where he hit in the line-up is a combination of who hit ahead / behind usually alters the pitchers approach and what kind of production the team wants out of the player. If you have an impact / RBI type probably want him to come up with men on base more often and with a decent bat protecting him next up. Force pitchers to pitch to him.
With Tatis, Soto, and Machado should be an interesting debate on where they sit in the order since all three can hit for average and for power. Then consider only Tatis really has speed and base stealing potential. If the Padres have (or get) a good OBP guy for lead-off then maybe Tatis - Soto (L) - Machado - Cronenworth (L) sets a strong 2-5. Other than Tatis' speed / base running most useful up in the line-up ... having Soto and Machado after him should get him a lot more pitches to hit (and he may be the most undisciplined hitter of the three) and great potential for a lot of 1st to home on doubles.
#48 · September 26, 2022, 3:49 pm
Quote from BoosterSD on September 26, 2022, 1:25 pmQuote from MrPadre19 on September 26, 2022, 1:13 pmIf they want Tatis in CF due to his speed and less chance of injury....fine.
But if he's in a corner I want his arm in RF.
Soto has played both....he can move to LF.
I just believe defensively it will be easier for Tatis to play LF than RF. Less errors or misplaced balls, that leads to less pitches thrown. Better overall to put Tatis in LF.
Maybe at first….but I want the best athlete and the best arm in the more important position.
In this case RF.
Tatis is too good to be coddled and put at the “easier position” IMO.
Will be interesting where he plays in his first game back.
In case anyone forgot…Playoff games count towards his suspension.
So the more games we play in October the sooner Nando is back in 23’.
#49 · September 26, 2022, 4:18 pm
Quote from MrPadre19 on September 26, 2022, 3:49 pmQuote from BoosterSD on September 26, 2022, 1:25 pmQuote from MrPadre19 on September 26, 2022, 1:13 pmIf they want Tatis in CF due to his speed and less chance of injury....fine.
But if he's in a corner I want his arm in RF.
Soto has played both....he can move to LF.
I just believe defensively it will be easier for Tatis to play LF than RF. Less errors or misplaced balls, that leads to less pitches thrown. Better overall to put Tatis in LF.
Maybe at first….but I want the best athlete and the best arm in the more important position.
In this case RF.
Tatis is too good to be coddled and put at the “easier position” IMO.
Will be interesting where he plays in his first game back.
In case anyone forgot…Playoff games count towards his suspension.
So the more games we play in October the sooner Nando is back in 23’.
If we maxed played all games 3 5 7 7 = 22 (as long as the last 7 is a W).. in the post season he would be back after the opening series... otherwise is like May 2nd