Quote from Booster SD on May 8, 2018, 12:51 pm

Not leave the SP in too long, this loss is on Greene. Ross was struggling and should have been pulled after the 5th. Otherwise, it was Strasburg and really a decent performance against one of the better ones out there. I dont say it a lot, good moral victory for a young team. I know, in the MLs moral victories are not what we are looking for, however they didnt give up and put up some runs late.

I think they have a good chance tonight, and a small chance tomorrow.

Quote from WindsorUK on May 8, 2018, 2:56 pm

Clayton will return to form( inducing grounballs and keeping the game within reach) and Padre bats will abuse Nat pitching.

Jankowski will continue his push to subplant Manny Margot as the everyday CF.

Villanueve will get back on track by having one multi homer game in the series.

That should do it.

Quote from 3fingersplit on May 23, 2018, 6:05 pm

So the Pads get 1 out of 3 vs the Nationals and Ross throws another good game and Hand gets a 5 out save to go with a 3 of 4 against the Pirates

The Pads head to LA only 5.5 games out of the lead in the NL west with Clayton Richard and Jordan Lyles getting the starts with a TBD for Sunday

The question I have is do the Padres trade off Tyson Ross and Brad Hand for Prospects or do they let these guys be the leaders on a young team along with Hosmer ?

I don't know about anybody else but it sure gets old to see very legit pitchers or position players get dealt for prospects....at some point in time you need to keep solid players to build around.

On to LA....Go Pads !!!

Quote from Ryan Payne on May 23, 2018, 6:30 pm

You absolutely trade both if the packages are right - Consider what we gave up to get both.....Nothing. Maximize your return. If not, keep them. Hand's contract is extremely club friendly.

Quote from fenn68 on May 23, 2018, 7:21 pm

Trade anyone for the right return (doubt we will all agree what the "right return" is composed of). Buyers don't start to show their true interest (and pay the higher price) until late June or July ... so some time for everyone to increase (or decrease) their assumed value.

Ross ... since he is a FA after the season and pitching well should get some attention from a number of teams ... should end up getting moved for the best offer (assuming their is some legit prospect in the returns) but would not just deal him for zip. Remember if he is pitching really well ... tag him with a QO which he will likely refuse (at 30 wanting a multi year deal) and get a comp pick.

The wild card with Ross is IF the Padres think Ross would be more valuable to the team in 2020 that finding 5 other SP in the system ... they could be better off signing him to an extension before the trade deadline (IF Ross want to stay). If a "no trade" clause is NOT included ... possible to move him later.

The two other FA to be ... Galvis and Ellis ... are not likely to draw any interest that would return even a mediocre prospect so better off keeping them through the season to work with the kids and stabilize the team a bit.

Don't really think there will be offers on anyone one else that is compelling enough to deal this trade deadline ... and no need to create more immediate holes in the roster (not much replacement) and see what happens over the winter / next spring / next trade deadline.

Hand may be the other one with value and interest from other teams ... just likely way below Preller's threshold for a good closer under a favorable contract through 2020. Again he is better than any alternative the Padres have (or expect to have near term) and not sure what a low A ball prospect(s) do to help winning in 2020. At some point (and we may be at that point) the Padres (If they plan to contend in 2020) need to hold on some players rather than just accumulating low level prospects who may (or may not) impact the club in 4-5 years.

Predict: Ross is dealt ... Hand stays ... a "fringe" move or two if anyone wants Szczur, Spangenberg, Pirela just to clear a bit of the OF / INF congestion that will be there with Urias and Tatis arriving in 2019 and Renfroe, Reyes, Cordero, Jankowski, Margot, Myers overstocking the OF. PTNL / Cash Consideration type deals or maybe a Rookie Ball prospect.

Quote from MrPadre19 on May 24, 2018, 4:16 am

“. At some point (and we may be at that point) the Padres (If they plan to contend in 2020) need to hold on some players rather than just accumulating low level prospects who may (or may not) impact the club in 4-5 years”

 

Exactly why I say hold on to Ross.

I have “zero” hope that Erlin,Lauer,Richards,Mitchell,Strahm,Perdomo,Rea,or Lyles will be in the rotation in 2 years.

Plus we need someone to at least be decent in 2019.

We have prospects......we need major league players who produce.......

Quote from fenn68 on May 24, 2018, 7:36 am

Given the Padres' desire to contend by 2020 and the need for a minimum of 5 SP of some quality .... extending Ross does seem like the reasonable strategy. Of course Ross has to want to extend with the Padres and the contract has to be "fair" to both sides ... not necessarily that simple considering Ross may be at his peak FA point at age 30 and may want to test the market to secure a maximum contract.

Ross is a FA after this year, Richard and Lyles (like them or not) are FA after next year. So what are the Padres working with for 2020 ... a string of "potential" but limited / no experience pitchers and that is not a basis for contention. Not sure I can legitimately expect in 2020 5 out of Lucchesi, Lauer, Perdomo, Lamet (if returns from TJ), Quantrill, Allen to be contender quality arms .... and don't expect Mitchell, Strahm (more RP), or Erlin to step up. Not going to project any A ball arms to be up AND PRODUCTIVE that soon.

The other advantage to extending Ross (and holding on others) is stabilizing the roster with ML quality which will in turn allow the front office to focus addressing (via trade or FA) what they perceive as major holes. They need to cut down on the moving parts across the entire roster by doing some of that commit to the better players / prospects even if they are not "perfect".

To that end ... 2018 may become the decision point on a lot of the aging "prospects" (e.g. Renfroe, Spangenberg, et. al) or "fringe" (e.g. Pirela).

Quote from MrPadre19 on May 24, 2018, 7:55 am

I would like to see guys like Kennedy,Lockett and Lloyd up at some point this year too.

You just can not tell if a guy will be successful in S.D. based on his PCL stats alone.

Maybe even Diaz again since he is on the 40 man anyway......

 

I forgot about Erik Johnson.....add him to the "not going to help" list....lol

 

Quote from 3fingersplit on May 24, 2018, 11:28 am

Quote from fenn68 on May 24, 2018, 7:36 am

Given the Padres' desire to contend by 2020 and the need for a minimum of 5 SP of some quality .... extending Ross does seem like the reasonable strategy. Of course Ross has to want to extend with the Padres and the contract has to be "fair" to both sides ... not necessarily that simple considering Ross may be at his peak FA point at age 30 and may want to test the market to secure a maximum contract.

Ross is a FA after this year, Richard and Lyles (like them or not) are FA after next year. So what are the Padres working with for 2020 ... a string of "potential" but limited / no experience pitchers and that is not a basis for contention. Not sure I can legitimately expect in 2020 5 out of Lucchesi, Lauer, Perdomo, Lamet (if returns from TJ), Quantrill, Allen to be contender quality arms .... and don't expect Mitchell, Strahm (more RP), or Erlin to step up. Not going to project any A ball arms to be up AND PRODUCTIVE that soon.

The other advantage to extending Ross (and holding on others) is stabilizing the roster with ML quality which will in turn allow the front office to focus addressing (via trade or FA) what they perceive as major holes. They need to cut down on the moving parts across the entire roster by doing some of that commit to the better players / prospects even if they are not "perfect".

To that end ... 2018 may become the decision point on a lot of the aging "prospects" (e.g. Renfroe, Spangenberg, et. al) or "fringe" (e.g. Pirela).

That 13 million spent on a Flyer ( Headley and Mitchell ) sure would be nice to have in the bank in regards to extending Tyson Ross....I remember reading on this forum that the 13 million would have "no long term impact" on the future of this team.....13 million is 13 million and it could be the deal breaker....that's a extra 4.33 million a year on a 3 year extension so I would say that the lost 13 million does have an impact on future plans