Quote from BoosterSD on January 21, 2024, 3:48 pm

CJ Cron is a RHH. And his spilts between COL and the rest of the regular world are staggering. Stay away from Cron.

Quote from BoosterSD on January 21, 2024, 3:58 pm

I think there are two trade possibilities for LHH CFers.

One, ANA needs to open a spot for the signing of Stephenson. So maybe SD can get Moniak.

Two, SEA has a younger LHH CF in Cade Marlow. And with Rodriguez in CF, SEA should be OK.

Neither are fantastic options, but both are LHH, can steal some, and play CF. And most importantly both are at league min salary. Plus then Marsee and the other kids arent rushed along this season.

Quote from fenn68 on January 21, 2024, 4:34 pm

Quote from BoosterSD on January 21, 2024, 3:58 pm

I think there are two trade possibilities for LHH CFers.

One, ANA needs to open a spot for the signing of Stephenson. So maybe SD can get Moniak.

Two, SEA has a younger LHH CF in Cade Marlow. And with Rodriguez in CF, SEA should be OK.

Neither are fantastic options, but both are LHH, can steal some, and play CF. And most importantly both are at league min salary. Plus then Marsee and the other kids arent rushed along this season.

Probably not a deal for Moniak … LAA is actually trying to add an OF given the recent injury issues with Trout and an expected regression with Moniak.

Marlow might be a good add but it may depend on what SEA wants in return … not sure he will be better than Marsee in 2024.

I was considering Carlson from STL … they have excess OF and Carlson is still low cost … just still some question as to whether he can rebound to his potential. STL wants pitching either ML or near ML ready. At least Carlson has 3 ML seasons (switch hitter).

Since not really seeing any clear CF choices … and have no idea what Preller thinks of Marsee’s readiness … might fall to Preller’s view of the worst case Marsee vs the probable case of any other option (if any are really attainable at a fair price).

I am beginning to believe IF Marsee can play “average” defense CF and hit over .200 he might just get the job and Preller puts the money into the other two hitters to cover LF/1B/DH. That would limit the weakness in the offense to just 1 slot.

Side: saw some comments from MINN fans who are happy Taylor is not a candidate to return for 2024 … apparently not pleased with his sub-.300 OBP and high K% … plus finished last season with some injuries (including his back). Not enough for what is presumed his price tag for 2014. Probably why the Padres have backed off.

 

Quote from BoosterSD on January 21, 2024, 5:32 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 21, 2024, 4:34 pm

 

Probably not a deal for Moniak … LAA is actually trying to add an OF given the recent injury issues with Trout and an expected regression with Moniak.

Marlow might be a good add but it may depend on what SEA wants in return … not sure he will be better than Marsee in 2024.

I was considering Carlson from STL … they have excess OF and Carlson is still low cost … just still some question as to whether he can rebound to his potential. STL wants pitching either ML or near ML ready. At least Carlson has 3 ML seasons (switch hitter).

I guess my main concern is to field a ML team as best as possible and not rushing the kids this season. And the IF factor of Marsee both bat and field for 2024 is too much for me personally.

I guess I am still gun shy on STL OFers after Leadstick, but Carlson would be fine. He will make $2.35M this season. Based on BTV a Avila/Lizarraga for Carlson is a fair trade.

Quote from Randy Manese on January 21, 2024, 5:37 pm

I don't think I've seen any comments by Shildt on internal candidates for the Padres 2024 CF slot, however, the Padres have had a long look at Marsee in 2023 in 3 very different venues of Ft. Wayne, San Antonio and the AFL.

Keep in mind that the bar to replace Grisham, who will make 5.5M with the Yankees this year, is not that high.   So for $740,000, there is a very good chance that Marsee can play at least average CF defense and hit over .200, the latter something Grisham couldn't do the last 2 years.  He might not hit as many HRs as Grisham, but likely will have a better OBP and be more of a SB threat because of that.  I can see him being much more than a black hole in the #9 spot in the batting order.   This is a guy with great work ethic and a history of being a leader among his peers.

While Marsee's ceiling is not that of an all-star, he could hold onto the spot as an average (platoon or better) regular until one of our other CF prospects who might have more elite skills replaces him.  Even though he's only had 700 Plate Appearances (PA) in the minors, he had a total of over a 1000 PA's in college and elsewhere and managed an OBP over .400 at all levels.   Give him a chance to show what he can do before writing him off without even seeing how he competes at the major league level.

Quote from fenn68 on January 21, 2024, 6:06 pm

Quote from Randy Manese on January 21, 2024, 5:37 pm

I don't think I've seen any comments by Shildt on internal candidates for the Padres 2024 CF slot, however, the Padres have had a long look at Marsee in 2023 in 3 very different venues of Ft. Wayne, San Antonio and the AFL.

Keep in mind that the bar to replace Grisham, who will make 5.5M with the Yankees this year, is not that high.   So for $740,000, there is a very good chance that Marsee can play at least average CF defense and hit over .200, the latter something Grisham couldn't do the last 2 years.  He might not hit as many HRs as Grisham, but likely will have a better OBP and be more of a SB threat because of that.  I can see him being much more than a black hole in the #9 spot in the batting order.   This is a guy with great work ethic and a history of being a leader among his peers.

While Marsee's ceiling is not that of an all-star, he could hold onto the spot as an average (platoon or better) regular until one of our other CF prospects who might have more elite skills replaces him.  Even though he's only had 700 Plate Appearances (PA) in the minors, he had a total of over a 1000 PA's in college and elsewhere and managed an OBP over .400 at all levels.   Give him a chance to show what he can do before writing him off without even seeing how he competes at the major league level.

Sort of my thinking on Marsee … only solidified by not having any clearly better available options. If they are not there … just not there.

Outside chance Preller adds a prospect type to sit in AAA “in case” of an injury to Marsee or Azocar (unless Mercado is that insurance). Should be 2026 before another internal CF candidate is knocking on the door (probably either Zavala or Bush) and a year later Head (who is the real future CF given his all around skills and plus defense). So, maybe whoever takes CF in 2024 is a two year bridge.

 

Quote from 3fingersplit on January 21, 2024, 7:52 pm

Azocar is strictly a defensive player because he has sooo many flaws in his swing I’m amazed he got to the major leagues…I video taped him during batting practice numerous times and he just won’t adjust his approach with his swing so don’t expect much of anything except some late inning defense.

I’m all for Marsee getting a shot because it’s time for our own draft picks to show and if he fails then find another bargain bin warm body but please don’t trade away any of our young top prospects ie; pitchers along with Merrill,Marsee,Pauley etc…there isn’t a guy out there that is worth giving up a quality young prospect in my opinion for whatever the reason…age, contract demands, limited position ability and just the simple fact that if another team is willing to dump some of their garbage then give them a look after they get the DFA treatment…the league is littered with the Maransick and Kohlways of the world…AAAA players at best

Quote from fenn68 on January 22, 2024, 10:34 am

Quote from BoosterSD on January 21, 2024, 5:32 pm

Quote from fenn68 on January 21, 2024, 4:34 pm

 

Probably not a deal for Moniak … LAA is actually trying to add an OF given the recent injury issues with Trout and an expected regression with Moniak.

Marlow might be a good add but it may depend on what SEA wants in return … not sure he will be better than Marsee in 2024.

I was considering Carlson from STL … they have excess OF and Carlson is still low cost … just still some question as to whether he can rebound to his potential. STL wants pitching either ML or near ML ready. At least Carlson has 3 ML seasons (switch hitter).

I guess my main concern is to field a ML team as best as possible and not rushing the kids this season. And the IF factor of Marsee both bat and field for 2024 is too much for me personally.

I guess I am still gun shy on STL OFers after Leadstick, but Carlson would be fine. He will make $2.35M this season. Based on BTV a Avila/Lizarraga for Carlson is a fair trade.

Not opposed to moving Avila but would the package change if instead they used Wilson or De Los Santos? Do idea if they are valued more or less. More importantly, who does STL prefer … likely what gives them the most impact in 2024.

I could see them preferring Wilson with 4 years control currently at league minimum but two years of ML experience and a bigger FB and likely better upside.

I like Wilson but see the Padres in a better position with a backfill for Wilson and Carlson in CF than where we stand now.

Quote from BoosterSD on January 22, 2024, 11:08 am

Quote from fenn68 on January 22, 2024, 10:34 am

 

Not opposed to moving Avila but would the package change if instead they used Wilson or De Los Santos? Do idea if they are valued more or less. More importantly, who does STL prefer … likely what gives them the most impact in 2024.

The main reason that I did not suggest De Los Santos was because IIRC De Los Santos was a waiver claim. And with STL having a lesser record than SD, it would seem they could have claimed him if they wanted him before SD could.

Base thought though, is that Carlson should be had for a mid level RP and a lower level prospect. Not too much to pay for a CF that help SD this season.