Quote from Notmyopic on March 7, 2019, 1:56 pm

Quote from David Jay on March 7, 2019, 10:27 am

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Quote from Notmyopic on March 6, 2019, 9:58 am

Is it just me or is Justin Miller criminally underrated?

If you mean Owen Miller, don't think he is underrated by the Padres.

He needs to show in a full season to get the media to up his rating. With all the other prospects around, tough to elevate a 3rd round pick out of a mid-market college after only a half season in the MiL.

If as many expect he jumps to AA this season and hits ... his rating should jump. Don't really know about his defense but is the kind of player who they will say is better suited for 2B but ... if he hits ... I can see him as Kinsler's replacement by 2021 covering back-up for all three INF slots. RHH and if Quiroz develops he becomes the LHH INF bench option for all three INF slots.

Owen Miller did exactly what he should have done in limited action last year. He was a bat-first college guy who went out and feasted on hitter's pitches in the low minors and gave some reason to hope me might find a long-term defensive home on the infield. That's promising. The fact that didn't cause the industry to declare him a future big league regular is not, however, a flaw of the system.

Not one person said he should be declared a future major league regular, I know reading comprehension can be tough though.

The industry generally has 40 grades on him.

Bumping his grade up would put "future big league regular" grades on him.

My apologies for assuming you knew enough about the topic to follow the shorthand.

Well then, I guess since some places have Buddy Reed as a 50, those places, despite saying otherwise, have him as a future regular.  Forgive me for not guessing people in the industry mean something they don't say.

Quote from David Jay on March 7, 2019, 4:22 pm

The 20-80 scale is literally a bell curve where 50 is defined as an everyday regular and each +/-10 is one standard deviation in either direction from there. The definition of a 50 is an everyday regular. It is high praise and applies to fewer than half the position players on a MLB roster at any given time and a small fraction of the players in the minors.

"Shortstop" means the guy standing between second and third base for the defensive team. If someone calls that guy the left fielder, they are not using the term correctly and/or don't know what they're talking about. Calling someone a "50 who isn't an everyday player" is calling someone "the left fielder who plays on the dirt part of the field."

Quote from Notmyopic on March 8, 2019, 8:22 am

I am well aware of what you are saying, but many in the industry have guys like Reed and Potts at 50 and many also do not have them as everyday guys.  Ratings are a matter of opinion and fluctuate from person to person.  So when you get snarky with someone over opinions on ratings, don't be shocked when they get snarky back.

Quote from MrPadre19 on March 8, 2019, 10:44 am

Get to know a little about Logan Allen

https://theathletic.com/853038/2019/03/07/padres-prospect-logan-allen-knows-a-few-things-about-motivation-his-friend-john-cena-is-partly-to-thank/

 

Awesome story....

Quote from David Jay on March 9, 2019, 8:30 am

Quote from Notmyopic on March 8, 2019, 8:22 am

I am well aware of what you are saying, but many in the industry have guys like Reed and Potts at 50 and many also do not have them as everyday guys.  Ratings are a matter of opinion and fluctuate from person to person.  So when you get snarky with someone over opinions on ratings, don't be shocked when they get snarky back.

Your first sentence is wrong in multiple ways. Most basically because the industry doesn't have 50s on those guys. Most ironically, the second part of your sentence disproves the first part.

A 50 OFV means major league regular. Period.

There are, of course, varying opinions on a player's ability and performance that lead different observers to different conclusions about whether he either is a future big league regular, and dismissing someone's fact-based opinions just because they differ from mine would be ridiculous. But that's not what's happening here.

You can't be a teacher and say, "that student earned an A- because her work was consistently below average."

You can't be a market analyst and put a buy rating on a stock because you think it's overvalued by 30%.

You can't be a gymnastics judge and award a 9.6 because a floor exercise was one tumbling pass short.

And you can't say, that prospect is a 50 because he's a future bench guy.

 

 

(I mean, technically, you CAN do any of those things. Everyone will think you're an idiot and you will lose your job - or if it's not your job and your going on a message board about the topic, people will dismiss you for not knowing what you're talking about - but you can, of course, do them.)

Quote from David Jay on March 9, 2019, 8:31 am

Quote from David Nevin on March 8, 2019, 10:44 am

Get to know a little about Logan Allen

https://theathletic.com/853038/2019/03/07/padres-prospect-logan-allen-knows-a-few-things-about-motivation-his-friend-john-cena-is-partly-to-thank/

 

Awesome story....

Dennis did a fantastic job telling an amazing story!

Quote from Brian Connelly on March 9, 2019, 9:34 am

Is there a listing anywhere of all the guys in Minors camp?

Quote from fenn68 on March 9, 2019, 11:59 am

I am getting a bit curious about Nick Margevicius as a prospect.

Normally I would dismiss him given his profile as a 7th round pick (2017) out of Rider College (age 22) with control and a breaking ball ... the makings of success in A ball but low ceiling after that. Would have seen his best asset as being a LHP and maybe suitable for relief. He actually was not "great" in A ball in 2018.

What is getting me interested is the simple fact that the Padres are using him extensively in ST over a long list of other (and seeming better) prospects in camp who could get those spot appearances with the ML club as part of their development or some of the non-roster invitees maybe battling for AAA.

What is it that the Padres see in him ... has he "developed" beyond expectations over the winter?

Quote from Notmyopic on March 11, 2019, 12:42 pm

Quote from David Jay on March 9, 2019, 8:30 am

Quote from Notmyopic on March 8, 2019, 8:22 am

I am well aware of what you are saying, but many in the industry have guys like Reed and Potts at 50 and many also do not have them as everyday guys.  Ratings are a matter of opinion and fluctuate from person to person.  So when you get snarky with someone over opinions on ratings, don't be shocked when they get snarky back.

Your first sentence is wrong in multiple ways. Most basically because the industry doesn't have 50s on those guys. Most ironically, the second part of your sentence disproves the first part.

A 50 OFV means major league regular. Period.

There are, of course, varying opinions on a player's ability and performance that lead different observers to different conclusions about whether he either is a future big league regular, and dismissing someone's fact-based opinions just because they differ from mine would be ridiculous. But that's not what's happening here.

You can't be a teacher and say, "that student earned an A- because her work was consistently below average."

You can't be a market analyst and put a buy rating on a stock because you think it's overvalued by 30%.

You can't be a gymnastics judge and award a 9.6 because a floor exercise was one tumbling pass short.

And you can't say, that prospect is a 50 because he's a future bench guy.

 

 

(I mean, technically, you CAN do any of those things. Everyone will think you're an idiot and you will lose your job - or if it's not your job and your going on a message board about the topic, people will dismiss you for not knowing what you're talking about - but you can, of course, do them.)

Well MLB hs 50s on them, so everything you just said clearly is wrong.  Why can't you just admit you enjoy being snarky with people you don't agree with and just admit it is okay for people to be snarky back?