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Andy Green relieved of duties.

Taking a step back .... opinion from the media (and us) is that Washington is Fowler's man and Tingler is Preller's. However, the Padres have been very close to the vest on this ... and there is a good chance neither Preller nor Fowler are locked in on either one ... maybe a preference but not necessarily so strong that they could not go with the other after debate of the pros and cons of each (and there a cons on each).

If there is no clear leading candidate between Washington and Tingler .... maybe the Loretta candidacy is more plausible. He was with the Padres organization for a decade ... should have a comfort level with Preller and Fowler (and visa versa) plus the understanding of the structure in the organization. Add that he should have the knowledge / comfort of Balsely and Hoffman as coaches. He only took the CUBS job in January, 2019.

Before I suggested the ease of a Washington / Tingler meshing with Preller because of their pasts being a positive ... got to think Loretta meshing with the entire organization is even a bigger plus. IF the CUBS in a high profile city with what they think are legit playoffs talent can go from a Maddon to an inexperienced Ross .... why not the Padres with Loretta. His name came up early before the interviews ... maybe the Padres were waiting until it was clear Loretta was not getting the Cubs spot before moving in.

More I think about it ... like the idea.

Quote from BoosterSD on October 23, 2019, 10:02 am

We have players; depending on who you talk to, that should make us close. If you take a look at the Nats; who have just won game 1, we have some similarities and some differences.

WAS INF - Rendon, Turner, Dozier, and Adams. SD INF - Machado, Tatis Jr, Kinsler, Hosmer. Machado and Tatis are very similar to Rendon and Turner. Need better performance from 2B than Kinsler, Urias could fix that, and Hosmer needs to perform better than he did vs LHP.

WAS C - Gomes. SD C - Hedges. This will improve via more playing time for Mejia.

WAS OF - Soto, Robles, Eaton. SD OF - Myers, Margot, Renfroe. This is a BIG deficiency, THIS is where we need either a manager that can get Myers/Renfroe to pull his head out of his butt, or a better player. Can Margot ever put together a full season.

WAS SP - Scherzer, Corbin, Strasburg, Sanchez. SD SP - Not there yet; however, you would think that a healthy Lamet and Richards, and a non limited season from Paddock helps gets a lot closer than the start of 2019.

So yes, in the case of SP and the OF its the players; however, can a good manager get better/more consistent performances from some of those players? And then can AJP bring in a couple of additions to supplement the weak spots on the roster? So maybe the manager is more important than we think in this stage of the SD turnover.

We get Strasburg (weakens Nats also) and Dickerson .. And we are indeed the 2020 version of the Nats.. Mejia + Urias the key IMPROVEMENT components.. A normal yr from Machado and 4 more weeks of Hosmer 2/3 of a season solid to good production and we are there

Quote from fenn68 on October 23, 2019, 10:32 am

Before I suggested the ease of a Washington / Tingler meshing with Preller because of their pasts being a positive ... got to think Loretta meshing with the entire organization is even a bigger plus. IF the CUBS in a high profile city with what they think are legit playoffs talent can go from a Maddon to an inexperienced Ross .... why not the Padres with Loretta. His name came up early before the interviews ... maybe the Padres were waiting until it was clear Loretta was not getting the Cubs spot before moving in.

More I think about it ... like the idea.

I know that we all liked Loretta as a player, and many of us on here loved his approach to hitting, especially with men on base. If he can get Myers and Renfroe to realize they have the power to hit to all fields, and that HRs to LF do not score any more runs than HRs to other fields, he would be worth his weight in gold.

So the Cubs can announce their new Manager in the middle of the World Series but we have to wait until after?

 

Quote from David Nevin on October 23, 2019, 11:15 am

So the Cubs can announce their new Manager in the middle of the World Series but we have to wait until after?

 

It hasnt been officially announced, it has been leaked that all other candidates have been notified that they are no longer candidates.

Dont forget, the entire baseball universe resides around the Cubs and Yankees, so they can do whatever they want!!

I guess technically Maddon has not be officially announced a the LAA manager to go along with Ross not being officially announced. Word has it that the official announcement would come on a travel day for the World Series (Thurs?) if not just deferred to the end.

Sort of an ineffective policy given situations with Maddon and Ross and the media reporting these days.

On the other hand, since there appears to be no competition for either Washington or Tingler ... what is the urgency on the Padres part ... does one week make a big difference? Maybe they were really waiting for that last minute candidate to emerge to bump both other candidates?

Quote from BoosterSD on October 10, 2019, 12:19 pm

Anybody else think that its a coincidence that Naylor is going to play in the Dominican Winter League this year, and possible managerial candidate Tingler is going to be the manager of that same team? Where is Cordero playing this winter?

14 days ago I posted this, its looks like it was not a coincidence.

Looks like Andy Green has landed on his feet, and has gotten the Bench Coach job with the Cubs.

Quote from BoosterSD on November 8, 2019, 8:15 pm

Looks like Andy Green has landed on his feet, and has gotten the Bench Coach job with the Cubs.

Yeah, over Mark Loretta, which is kind of interesting, but makes sense b/c as a new Manager you don't want your bench coach to be the guy you beat out for the job.  Man I wish we'd hire HIM as Hitting coach!

I find all the whispers about Green "not being on same page" as Preller hard to believe... how exactly?  Can anyone give specific examples of Preller & Green butting heads philosophically or communication breakdown?   Much of the bad decisions criticism is unfounded too; REALLY think front office has a huge hand in those decisions.  As I've said before, I was so ready for much higher (now, obviously, but even then too) "stature" Bochy & Buddy Black to leave when they did; was really tired of their "styles" & felt new direction was needed.  Not AGAINST the current change, but didn't feel it was NEEDED like those were...

Fair to speculate that another Manager MIGHT have been able to get more consistency in 2nd 1/2 out of an extremely young roster missing their best position player, a very difficult limitation on IP on the SP staff, and team as a whole that realistically played over their heads in first half (esp first 15 games).  But shine the freaking spotlight on our "Star" Veterans leading the way in September....

Hosmer:  .170 / .218 /.298      Machado:  .193 /.323  / .361     Sure looks to me like they, esp Hos mailed it in the last month.

But there is no one on the face of Earth who could have produced a winning record in Green's first 3 years.  So any perception of him being a "loser" was handed to him (he did choose to accept it) on his 1st day on job by the owners & GM that hired him.