Quote from JasonE135 on July 31, 2020, 4:54 pm

Quote from fenn68 on July 31, 2020, 3:25 pm

Quote from Randy Manese on July 31, 2020, 3:01 pm

If Boston struggles, could be a trade partner by mid-August.  A long shot, but stranger things have happened.  Carrying way too much salary and injuries and a relatively poor farm system might take them out of a playoff spot this year and in the future.  They are especially shallow in pitching.

Good call .... and the name Benintendi should be on the table. LHH with good OBP history ... controlled in 2021 and 2022 and "only" $6.6MM next year (affordable).

Padres have SP not named Gore or Patino that could start the ball rolling ... and some position players. A lot of good prospects ... near ML ready / or there already  .... long control and low cost. Could see a multiple player for Benintendi deal. Dealing from the "60" should not be a problem to generate the talent.

Fitting Benintendi into RF ... sliding Myers to DH/1B/RF as needed might firm up the offense and defense.

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Boston will have a lot of trouble making the playoffs with that SP staff (defections and injuries has made it near the worst in MLB). Plus beating out NYY and TB for the guaranteed 1st and 2nd place slots would be a long shot under any scenario. So, looks to me as though they are looking at one of the two wild card slots at best and given the bottom feeders in the AL they do have a shot if they don't fall out early.

 

I usually agree with you Fenn but I have to disagree with you on this one. Boston is not looking to compete this year. They are resetting their lux tax penalties and will rebuild their team next year. They have already traded their short control guys. They believe Benintendi is their most valuable trade asset and they will want a premium prospect for him.

I personally wouldn't trade Quantrill straight up for him. He is the only guy we have who has proven to be ml ready. We will need him to compete this year. Other than him, Gore and Patino, who do we have of interest to the Sox? Morejon, Baez, Weathers, Castillo? They will ask for at least 2 of them, and that would be a trade we could SERIOUSLY regret later. I also don't see us getting them to go for one of those 3 or 4 nobodies for 1 somebody trades. Benintendi is not a difference maker, but he will be priced like one.

 

Quote from fenn68 on July 31, 2020, 5:18 pm

I LOVE obscure rule exceptions ... re: Mejia and minor league options. It appears he does have one option year remaining.

IF a player is on option for 19 days or less in the minors .... he is not charged an option year. June 1 - 17 is less than 19 days. I think he gets MLB service time for that period.

I guess the front office knew how to work the system.

Quote from fenn68 on July 31, 2020, 5:27 pm

Quote from JasonE135 on July 31, 2020, 4:54 pm

Quote from fenn68 on July 31, 2020, 3:25 pm

Quote from Randy Manese on July 31, 2020, 3:01 pm

If Boston struggles, could be a trade partner by mid-August.  A long shot, but stranger things have happened.  Carrying way too much salary and injuries and a relatively poor farm system might take them out of a playoff spot this year and in the future.  They are especially shallow in pitching.

Good call .... and the name Benintendi should be on the table. LHH with good OBP history ... controlled in 2021 and 2022 and "only" $6.6MM next year (affordable).

Padres have SP not named Gore or Patino that could start the ball rolling ... and some position players. A lot of good prospects ... near ML ready / or there already  .... long control and low cost. Could see a multiple player for Benintendi deal. Dealing from the "60" should not be a problem to generate the talent.

Fitting Benintendi into RF ... sliding Myers to DH/1B/RF as needed might firm up the offense and defense.

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Boston will have a lot of trouble making the playoffs with that SP staff (defections and injuries has made it near the worst in MLB). Plus beating out NYY and TB for the guaranteed 1st and 2nd place slots would be a long shot under any scenario. So, looks to me as though they are looking at one of the two wild card slots at best and given the bottom feeders in the AL they do have a shot if they don't fall out early.

 

I usually agree with you Fenn but I have to disagree with you on this one. Boston is not looking to compete this year. They are resetting their lux tax penalties and will rebuild their team next year. They have already traded their short control guys. They believe Benintendi is their most valuable trade asset and they will want a premium prospect for him.

I personally wouldn't trade Quantrill straight up for him. He is the only guy we have who has proven to be ml ready. We will need him to compete this year. Other than him, Gore and Patino, who do we have of interest to the Sox? Morejon, Baez, Weathers, Castillo? They will ask for at least 2 of them, and that would be a trade we could SERIOUSLY regret later. I also don't see us getting them to go for one of those 3 or 4 nobodies for 1 somebody trades. Benintendi is not a difference maker, but he will be priced like one.

 

I am not so sure they are writing off 2020 since they are still the favorites for a Wild Card slot plus if you are playing for the Boston fans you can’t pack it in if there is a chance.

However, don’t think they would deal Benintendi (not that expensive) and will need him to contend and if they want to contend in 2021. At least not for what the Padres would offer. Point would be that Preller would make the call.

Back to my original theme ... going to be very very difficult to make a significant trade this year since doubt any playoff contender (even if a long shot) will pack it in and sell. Did hear another reason to think the activity would be limited .... the uncertainty MLB will finish the season and giving up talent for a playoff run and then no playoff run ... bad move. Basically, except for some fringe moves, teams may just stick with the players that got them there.

Quote from fenn68 on August 1, 2020, 10:07 am

Back to Mateo ... Padres acquired him on June 30th .... needed to have 2 consecutive negative COVID test ... passed that hurdle last week. “Thought” since he did not have options that would trigger activation unless there was some relaxing of rules given the circumstances.

Seems the Padres were able to put Mateo on the 10 day IL (July 22) .... 10 days are a minimum but not a maximum. Could the Padres just leave him there all season (or until they need him) and avoid the active roster problem?

Quote from fenn68 on August 1, 2020, 10:09 am

In another questionable rule interpretation .... Padres put Wingenter on the 60 day IL the other day.

Thought that move could only be made if the team was trying to add a non-roster player to a FULL 40 man roster ... which the Padres do not have.

Odd season ... flexibility in rule interpretation.

Note: 40 man now at 37 with Wingenter/Munoz/Espinosa all on 45/60 day IL plus Castillo still can be moved to the 45 day making the 40 man 36.

A lot of room for a non-roster add (Patino, Gore for example).

Quote from Randy Manese on August 1, 2020, 10:46 am

I wasn't aware that Wingenter went on the 60, but it makes sense after TJ.  Always looking for more roster flexibility in these uncertain times.  Mateo probably needs more time to get ready plus we really don't seem to have a need for another infielder.  We are playing one position player short with Hosmer out (hopefully, back for the next home series) but generally we have gotten by with Garcia and Cronenworth.   Sure Profar has his good days and bad days, but he always battles at the plate, extends the count, has played well defensively and seems to bring some energy to the line-up.

I'd still like to add a proven OF bat, preferably LH, so we can rest our starters.  Olivares is okay both offensively and defensively, but he is a rookie.  Naylor has not been good offensively and is not a good defensive outfielder. It is not a pressing need, but if the opportunity presents itself, then we could move forward.

What we need to do is sort out the RP's and get them in roles that are more comfortable for them.  Also, are Baez and Morejon ready to contribute?  The probability that they can pitch with success in the majors is probably higher than Camarena or Eickhoff.  In my opinion, the RPs that have performed/under-achieved are, in this order, Yates, Strahm, Pagan, Perdomo, Stammen, Bednar, Guerra, Johnson, Hill and Pomeranz.  I want to see more of Hill, Johnson and Guerra in order to firm up the roster for the first cut.  In jeopardy at this time are probably Perdomo and Bednar and both have options remaining and Guerra and Johnson don't.  Could even send down Strahm and Pagan to shake things up, but don't think we'll go that far.

 

Quote from fenn68 on August 1, 2020, 11:51 am

On the pitching ... a lot may depend on whether MLB and MLBPA come to an agreement on continue the 30 man roster rather than the cut to 28 next week and then 26.

As it is ... getting down to 13 pitchers (on a 26 roster) is going to be an issue.

Paddack - Lamet - Richards - Davies - Lucchesi

Yates - Pagan - Stammen - Johnson - Guerra

Pomeranz - Strahm - Hill

That is 13 without Quantrill or Perdomo or Bednar or considering anyone not active. So as long as the Padres are in the playoff mix probably not going to new options (unless injuries). Could go with 14 pitchers but then the issue becomes who fills the 12 position players ... one is ticketed to go to get to the 26 man (Naylor?) so who is the 2nd? Then if Mateo has return at some point ... who is the 3rd?

Overall, looking as though the roster you see will be the basis for the playoff run.

Quote from Randy Manese on August 1, 2020, 3:31 pm

Hadn't thought of extending the 30 man, but it is worth considering given the COVID environment.  My thought on the pitchers is to keep arms fresh, no matter how many you, if you expect relatively equal results from the pitchers you bring up.  Is it possible to send down Bednar, Perdomo or Strahm and get results from Baez or Morejon that are not minimally different from what we have seen so far?  I still like to see more of the Guerra, Johnson, Hill trio earlier in the game and less of Strahm, Pagan, Perdomo and Stammen.  Don't want to overuse Pomeranz, so very important that Pagan and Yates get back in synch to close out games along with Pomeranz.

Going into this season, who would have thought we'd be rooting for Hosmer to get back into the line-up as soon as possible?  His swing, so far, looks retooled and he seems much more confident at the plate.  Same with Myers - still not the best plate judgment but better than before.  Pham, Grisham and even Profar have really made a difference and like what I've seen of France, Cronenworth and Olivares.  If only Naylor and Mejia can find their strokes, this team (with the bullpen arms returning to their "norms") could be very interesting not only in this 60 game format but for an entire 162 game season.  Love the effort from Paddack, Lamet, Richards and Davies to keep us in games.   Hope to see the same results from Lucchesi and Quantrill today.  Go Padres!

Quote from MrPadre19 on August 1, 2020, 4:34 pm

My first thought would be to switch out Naylor with Mateo.

But considering our issue has been the bullpen and that rosters will be decreasing.....maybe add Baez and Morejon and  demote Naylor/Bednar.Then possibly switch out Olivares unless he just hits so much we can’t.

Mateo adds more versatility and baserunning abilities over Naylor...if we’re gonna add pitching at the expense of a hitter....adding more versatility makes sense.

Garcia/Cronenworth/Mateo can cover the entire field minus C....including the mound(Cronenworth) in a pinch/emergency.

I am thinking it makes too much sense to leave the rosters at 30 considering the recent Covid situation.

So more than likely MLB won’t.😉